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7 years 6 months ago - 7 years 6 months ago #31 by 1/35th Battalion
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Andrew wrote:

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Andrew wrote: I'm in for this GB B)

I'll be building a 1/35 Tiger I of s.SS.Pz.Abt.102 in Normandy in August 1944


Sheesh Andrew, that's two GB's and you 'n me have the same ideas. Just spent yesterday doing all the research too. I think I'll sit this one out then 'coz I got no other options else. Have a ball with the build . . .


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What about this Tiger I from GD? This was one of 6 delivered brand new in June 1944



Be a shame not to see you building something :(


Nice idea but I don't think GD where in the Western Theatre, some small elements attached to another unit were but GD was well engaged in the East. I also have an early GD in the East Dio planned. The Tiger I have is a late E, Possibly same kit you are considering (Dragon 6406) with a vehicle for sSS Pz Abtlg 102, vehicle 242 markings as a command tank. Also got 6 books from our library out for research. Was considering Battle of Verrières Ridge area between Caen and Falaise. A Tiger refuelling in ruins etc. . . Tiger 1, Einhietsdiesel loaded with fuel drums, BMW R75 sidecar , , , Zimmerit was going to be an issue anyway.

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7 years 6 months ago - 7 years 6 months ago #32 by Andrew
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You're good to go on 242, I'm doing 211 :woohoo:

Like this



I'm using the AFV Club 35079 kit

It's a wasted trip baby. Nobody said nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.
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7 years 6 months ago - 7 years 6 months ago #33 by 1/35th Battalion
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Andrew wrote: You're good to go on 242, I'm doing 211 :woohoo:

I'm using the AFV Club 35079 kit


Any cheap ideas for Zimmerit?? Although the box art depicts a vehicle with worn zim, there isn't anything in the kit :(

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Dragon Tiger 1 E Late as noted, with IBG's Einhietsdiesel steel-bodied truck (35003), MB Kradschutzen - German motorcycle Troops on the move ( 3548F), Based on MiniAr'ts Village Street (36029) Dio Series plus figures and accessories from about 10 other sets. :)

Funds inbound

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7 years 6 months ago #34 by olive drab
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Seen it done effectively with Liquid Nails in a Tamiya mag see if I can find the article.

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7 years 6 months ago #35 by Andrew
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Apart from an ATAK set, the only option is to go your own?

I've seen good results using rolled epoxy putty and a zimmerit tool from Lion Roar. No one has the Lion Roar tool in stock. Trumpeter make a zim tool, but I haven't seen any results using that.

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7 years 6 months ago #36 by 1/35th Battalion
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Andrew wrote: Apart from an ATAK set, the only option is to go your own?

I've seen good results using rolled epoxy putty and a zimmerit tool from Lion Roar. No one has the Lion Roar tool in stock. Trumpeter make a zim tool, but I haven't seen any results using that.


Thanks guys, I'll continue the hunt. may have to have a go myself with some putty of some sort. Strapped for funds at mo, wot wiff being essentially out of work due to the heart issue. Partner and I lost pretty much everything in the GFC so an interesting place to be in our late 50's with no cash other than that which we make ourselves. Heart Attack a month ago and all that was saved is used up now. Not gripeing, just an interesting place to find oneself in . . . :silly: :blink:

Carry on regardless, WOT??? :lol:

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7 years 6 months ago #37 by Gary
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When you're ready to do your Zim give me a shout, I've got a full set of Tamiya Zim tools and the Lion Roar roller Zim tool.



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7 years 6 months ago #38 by 1/35th Battalion
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Gary wrote: When you're ready to do your Zim give me a shout, I've got a full set of Tamiya Zim tools and the Lion Roar roller Zim tool.


My Humble Thanks Guv :) 'twill be some wayz off and things may have changed by then, but ta very much.

The Tiger may be the last part of this build as I'm going to work from the ground up with this one, Literally, as the base I will use to set the whole scene on is a kit (2 Kits in one) on it's own, so I'll build that up and build everything else into that scene . . .

D1

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7 years 6 months ago #39 by Andrew
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Have you seen this plate D1? :)


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7 years 6 months ago #40 by 1/35th Battalion
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Wow. Sure is much more bright in colouration than the artwork on the box and the camo pattern is very slightly different to the box art but also very similar too.
And the Zimmerit is also very clear on this piece too. Excellent. Thanks Andrew :) :) I might aim for something colour wise in between the two, less exhuberant than this piece but more vibrant than the kits box art. nice.

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7 years 6 months ago #41 by olive drab
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I'll check the Culver book later today but I think the zimmerit on the turret should be wider than that of the body. ;)

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7 years 6 months ago - 7 years 6 months ago #42 by Andrew
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olive drab wrote: I'll check the Culver book later today but I think the zimmerit on the turret should be wider than that of the body. ;)


Yeah, the 211 Tiger I'm doing has a wider zim pattern on the turret than on the hull, closer to 10mm apart whereas the hull is around 5mm. I imagine 242 would be similar. You'd have to check, but I think s.SS.Pz.Abt.102 would've got most of their Tigers around the same time, so zim patterns should be similar

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7 years 6 months ago - 7 years 6 months ago #43 by olive drab
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Yes the width of the bands of paste applied would have been wider on the turret.
Or were they?
Here is a picture from Tiger 221 at Sanmur that appears to shown the paste in even width bands with a thinner pattern on the turret than the chassis.

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7 years 6 months ago - 7 years 6 months ago #44 by 1/35th Battalion
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Andrew wrote:

olive drab wrote: I'll check the Culver book later today but I think the zimmerit on the turret should be wider than that of the body. ;)


Yeah, the 211 Tiger I'm doing has a wider zim pattern on the turret than on the hull, closer to 10mm apart whereas the hull is around 5mm. I imagine 242 would be similar. You'd have to check, but I think s.SS.Pz.Abt.102 would've got most of their Tigers around the same time, so zim patterns should be similar


My info tells me that 102 arrived in the general Normandy area around mid June 1944 and were in combat by early July around the Hill 112 area in an operation known as The Battle of Verrieres Ridge. They were then involved in a variety of combats all the way back to Falaise and eventually retreated into Belgium. When they arrived in France they had 45 Tiger 1's of Late version. When they retreated to Belgium there was only one left and this was abandoned when it ran out of fuel. Many of those Tigers had been received by the unit in October/November of 1943 but some had been replaced due to either combat on the Eastern front or mechanical issues. In the units history they had recieved a total of 76 Tigers of late or final version. Total enemy kill was a claimed 600 vehicles.

With vehicles having been issued at different times I suppose that Zimmerit patterns could vary to some degree.

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7 years 6 months ago #45 by Andrew
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Here is one of the reference pics I found of 211



You can clearly see two sizes of the zim pattern

Have you come across any period pics of 242 D1?

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7 years 6 months ago #46 by Gary
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And this is why I don't build Tanks.................. (or I don't build them and let people know I'm building them :) )



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7 years 6 months ago - 7 years 6 months ago #47 by 1/35th Battalion
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Djeez I didn't know it was so firkin complex just for Zimmerit. :lol:

Here are some of my research images. All suggest that turret proper had the wider zim but that the mantlet had same type as the rest of the hull, the narrower version or even smaller than that. See pictures, all from the same Normandy area and same s SS Pz Abtlg 102. Different units but same battalion.


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7 years 6 months ago #48 by 1/35th Battalion
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Note: for Andrew - schwere SS Panzer Battalion 102 had 4 Kompanies: HQ & 1,2,3 companies. Vehicles 242 and 211 are both from 2nd Kompanietrupp. 242 is 2IC Command platoon and 211 is platoon command of 1st platoon.

See diagram

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7 years 6 months ago #49 by Andrew
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That first image I think is a mid/late. The mantlet has two openings on the face for the Turmzielfernrohr 9b (Binocular Sight).

The later one (like the one Wittmann is sitting on) has the monocular Turmzielfernrohr 9c

I'd say safest to go larger pattern on turret, and smaller pattern on the hull and mantlet B)

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7 years 6 months ago #50 by 1/35th Battalion
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Andrew wrote: That first image I think is a mid/late. The mantlet has two openings on the face for the Turmzielfernrohr 9b (Binocular Sight).

The later one (like the one Wittmann is sitting on) has the monocular Turmzielfernrohr 9c

I'd say safest to go larger pattern on turret, and smaller pattern on the hull and mantlet B)


Good eyes, that lad :whistle:

I'd tend to agree on larger pattern for turrent body and narrower for gun manlet and vehicle hull. :)

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7 years 6 months ago #51 by Nosferatu
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Too Techo for me! Never built a Tank,,.. thinkin if I do I would be happy if it slighty resembles one!!! :dry:

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7 years 6 months ago #52 by Fritz
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I've got a kit I can use for this GB but I am wondering if anyone has any decals I could buy off them for it? The decals I have in the kit have yellowed and are rather old.
This is what I am thinking of building, had it in the stash for yeeeeeeeaaaaarrrs!



And these are my ancient decals



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7 years 6 months ago #53 by Andrew
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Does the Havoc only have the one type of nose in the kit?

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7 years 6 months ago #54 by Fritz
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Yea just that one glass noes :( It's made it a bit harder to find decals for it)

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7 years 6 months ago #55 by Andrew
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No eBay APP ID défined in Kunena configurationI found this set on ebay, its the decal sheet from the Revell A-20G/J kit



It includes decals for a RAF Boston IV (A-20J) but doesn't say what squadron and where it served :unsure:

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7 years 6 months ago #56 by Andrew
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No eBay APP ID défined in Kunena configurationDepending on how much you'd be willing to pay?


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7 years 6 months ago - 7 years 6 months ago #57 by Andrew
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No eBay APP ID défined in Kunena configurationOr these B) Better get in quick if you want these, evidently his last set


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7 years 6 months ago #58 by Fritz
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Awesome cheers andrew I'll have a look at those options.

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6 years 7 months ago #59 by Wally
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Hi people
I hazard a guess I am not the only member for whom a D-Day GB closing date of tomorrow, Fri 7 November, is pretty darned difficult ...?
Gary, how's it for you? And others going to Armistice?
Was there a reason it finishes Nov 7?
I am posting this from the hotspot at Warkworth Library. I'm on the road to Cambridge so to speak.
I haven't posted my "top 5 pics" for any of my entries but I guess I can do that right now ...?
What do others think of a 2 week or 1 month extension?
I can't even stay on here to see the replies. I'll post pics but I am perfectly okay with extending the finish date.
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6 years 7 months ago #60 by Gary
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I should have mine finished by the end of today so won't need an extension myself.
It was done as the 7th just so that we could have the winner or some of the finishing pieces on display at Armistice as a bit of advertising for KM. I've rushed my nuts off to get it done in time for the weekend so happy to wait until after things are settled to take submissions etc.
I don't think we should extend it too far as I think the others have already finished their entries and mine was the last, but I could be wrong?



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