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BoB: Promodeller/Revell 1/32 He-111p FINISHED!!

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5 years 11 months ago #31 by Gary
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I apply logic, so I always do RLM 66 for the cockpit, as it's a dark colour it doesn't reflect the light in to the crews eyes. I then use RLM 02 for the bomb bays, wheel wells etc, as there are fuel and hydraulic lines here and any leaks would show up easier on lighter surfaces.
That's my take, like you I trolled around the interweb for a long time, looked at lots of photos and as you say there is a lot of conjecture on this subject but I've yet to hear of a better excuse than mine :D



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5 years 11 months ago #32 by olive drab
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Ammo of Mig have just released a range of cockpit colour sets that may go some way to solve the colour matches.

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5 years 11 months ago #33 by Grant
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Gary wrote: I apply logic, so I always do RLM 66 for the cockpit, as it's a dark colour it doesn't reflect the light in to the crews eyes. I then use RLM 02 for the bomb bays, wheel wells etc, as there are fuel and hydraulic lines here and any leaks would show up easier on lighter surfaces.
That's my take, like you I trolled around the interweb for a long time, looked at lots of photos and as you say there is a lot of conjecture on this subject but I've yet to hear of a better excuse than mine :D


That logic works for me. :lol:

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5 years 11 months ago - 5 years 11 months ago #34 by Grant
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olive drab wrote: Ammo of Mig have just released a range of cockpit colour sets that may go some way to solve the colour matches.


Colour matching isn't really the problem. The problem is what the colours actually are. Tamiya colour matches satisfy me anyway. :)
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5 years 11 months ago - 5 years 11 months ago #35 by CyNaKyL
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Looking here , which is my go to if I'm not sure on a colour. According to this, all He111 models up to the H6 were RLM02 cockpits, with the H6 onwards being RLM66.
Without someone having an original colour photo of your exact aircraft, I'm picking you'll be fine going with RLM02, which would be the case for almost all the aircraft used in the Battle of Britain.
The general consensus I've found seems to be early to mid 1941 onwards was when RLM66 started to be used for cockpit areas instead of RLM02. Of course a lot of aircraft weren't repainted straight away, case in point the bf110c/d/e, some had just rlm66 front cockpit, some had the front and upper rear in rlm66 with the lower rear still being 02 and some were all 66. It was a case of when they either underwent high level maintenance or a quick coat to repair damage etc, or if the groundcrew got time to do it while the aircraft was being repaired etc or was otherwise not flightworthy for a time.

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5 years 11 months ago - 5 years 11 months ago #36 by Maarten
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Took a qick pic,





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5 years 11 months ago #37 by Grant
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A relaxing morning of coffee, music and modelling was had. And by chance the August copy of Airfix magazine arrived in the post and it has several features on the He-111, including photos of the Gardermoen He-111 P2. This magazine has become very good in the past year by the way: lots of content, nice photography, good builds and reviews. :)



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5 years 11 months ago #38 by Grant
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The interior set is together and I've started the painting with a base coat of Tamiya XF-22. It went together really easily. Most of the time was spent taking the parts off the resin blocks and removing flash. Overall it's a lot more detailed than the kit parts, so it's worth putting this in I think. I'm going to try holding off putting this in the actual fuselage for as long as possible to avoid breaking bits off. Hopefully I should be able to glue it in just before the canopy glass goes on and I paint the exterior.


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5 years 11 months ago #39 by grover
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That looks like really nice detail Grant.

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5 years 11 months ago #40 by Grant
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My progress from today. I spent a lot of the morning filling the numerous ejector pin marks on the inside of the fuselage. I didn't seek perfection on these as realistically not much will be seen once all the detail is in there and it's painted and closed up. I also glued on all the interior glass. I'll mask this, put in the interior detail and then paint and weather the interior. The quality of the transparent pieces is fantastic btw. Really clear with a great fit. :) Enjoying the kit so far.

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5 years 10 months ago #41 by Xtr3meNZer
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Looking bloody good :) Thanks for posting about the colouring as well, very handy tip

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5 years 10 months ago #42 by Bishop
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I am so tempted to buy the one in the local hobby shop, but I know I couldn't build it to this standard. I am enjoying watching this build come together instead.

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5 years 10 months ago #43 by Grant
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Bishop wrote: I am so tempted to buy the one in the local hobby shop, but I know I couldn't build it to this standard. I am enjoying watching this build come together instead.


Cheers Bishop. I might try and get a couple of hours with the thing today. I got some graphite powder after seeing your post about it; I might experiment with it on the chipping and wear in the cockpit/seat etc.
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5 years 10 months ago #44 by PJNZ
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Looking good so far Grant - nice kit detail in the office
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5 years 10 months ago - 5 years 10 months ago #45 by Grant
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A bit more progress on the pit. This is clearly a pretty shagged out Heinkel. :P Still has a bunch more work to go before this bit is finished: adding the detail parts, PE belts, gluing it all together and applying a coat of matt. But I think this should look quite nice through the glass.

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5 years 10 months ago #46 by Xtr3meNZer
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That looks goood!! I like the chipping worn effect you've given it! Nice bit of inspiration for me lol. I'm going to be doing more the wash, worn look than chipping. But damn that looks good!
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5 years 10 months ago #47 by Nosferatu
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Xtr3meNZer wrote: That looks goood!! I like the chipping worn effect you've given it! Nice bit of inspiration for me lol. I'm going to be doing more the wash, worn look than chipping. But damn that looks good!


What he said!! Good work!

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5 years 10 months ago #48 by KitModellerNZ
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Looks great! This is going to be a fantastic build.
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5 years 10 months ago #49 by grover
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Yeah coming along very nicely Grant.

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5 years 10 months ago #50 by Bishop
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I'd almost say that those chips are a little too overstated for the interior of a plane, but you really need this to be able to see them through the canopy glass. A bit like stage make up. I really like the shapes and placement. This is turning into a cracking good build. I really want one of these now. B)

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5 years 10 months ago #51 by Grant
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Bishop wrote: I'd almost say that those chips are a little too overstated for the interior of a plane, but you really need this to be able to see them through the canopy glass. A bit like stage make up. I really like the shapes and placement.


Yeah, it was partly the intention to go pretty heavy so it could be seen under the glass. The stage make-up remark is interesting. I've been thinking a bit about the balancing demands between realism and artistic effect (not that I clam to be making art! :lol: ). Another area where this is going to come up is in the splinter pattern. If you aim for realism the differentiation between the colours on the top can be pretty minimal on these aircraft, especially under some weathering and a flat coat. So I might tweak the colours a bit to make for a more appealing model.
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5 years 10 months ago #52 by Nosferatu
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Grant wrote:

Bishop wrote: I'd almost say that those chips are a little too overstated for the interior of a plane, but you really need this to be able to see them through the canopy glass. A bit like stage make up. I really like the shapes and placement.


Yeah, it was partly the intention to go pretty heavy so it could be seen under the glass. The stage make-up remark is interesting. I've been thinking a bit about the balancing demands between realism and artistic effect (not that I clam to be making art! :lol: ). Another area where this is going to come up is in the splinter pattern. If you aim for realism the differentiation between the colours on the top can be pretty minimal on these aircraft, especially under some weathering and a flat coat. So I might tweak the colours a bit to make for a more appealing model.


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5 years 10 months ago #53 by Grant
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Inside is ready for painting.

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5 years 10 months ago #54 by PJNZ
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This looks nice. Good job filling the pin marks and no excess glue showing - tidy!

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5 years 10 months ago #55 by Grant
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PJNZ wrote: no excess glue showing


Tamiya extra thin is magic. I remember as a kid my fingers being caked in layers of dried glue. :lol:

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5 years 10 months ago #56 by Von Drinkoften
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This is looking soo good mate. I'm actively on the hunt for one in 1/48 scale now...

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5 years 10 months ago #57 by Grant
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Got a bit done to the internals this morning. Because my last three builds have been big kits I'm tempted to put this down for a couple of weeks and build something small and quick.



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5 years 10 months ago #58 by Xtr3meNZer
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I know what you mean in regards to wanting to do a quick build some times :) The kit is looking great though :)

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5 years 10 months ago #59 by Grant
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Xtr3meNZer wrote: I know what you mean in regards to wanting to do a quick build some times :)


Yeah, I just feel a bit impatient, which isn't the best for getting good results. I'll take it out on a couple of cheap kits.

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5 years 10 months ago #60 by Bishop
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That sounds like a good idea. Build a happy crappy kit just to relax and get back to this. Its not one you want to rush.

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