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9 years 4 months ago - 9 years 4 months ago #151 by agyoung33
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Bishop wrote: .... I'd be careful about stripping the paint if its going to damage things.


You see there's the rub. I'm sure things will get broken. And I'd be tipping halfway to abandoning it (ie it's not worth the trouble), or, crazy as it may seem, rebuilding but with the airbrush instead of brush painting as a primary way of getting the paint over.

I've enjoyed this tremendously (the Stug) since starting it and I'm thinking of doing the same to the Paper Pz IV so it may be alittle while longer before I get back to the 'cademy Tig.

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9 years 4 months ago #152 by Bishop
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How thick is the brushed on paint on the Tiger? If its not thick spray straight over the top. The spray will give a very thin coat so it won't be like you're loading new paint on in great mounds. That's if you're not happy with it, if its fine then leave it be and weather it or whatever is necessary. With my rebuilds, the Sturm Tiger, for example, has had a spray straight over the top of the old paint, and that was fine.

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9 years 4 months ago #153 by Glenn
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Nice job scratch building those extra bits for this model,
You have got some amazing skills making them fine little parts :)
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9 years 4 months ago #154 by agyoung33
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Thanks Glenn, getting better at it slowly!

And cheers for the advice Bish. I'll check out the paint on it in a month or two and decide from there.. :)

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9 years 4 months ago - 9 years 4 months ago #155 by agyoung33
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I decided to go for a small break and do the fenders seeing as I'm close to the finish. I got alittle adventurous and tried to add some detail to the tools, which plainly speaking aren't much chop.



Tool box on the RHS fender. Replaced the platform it lives on with some sheet. There's also a jack block that I'm building as the kit doesn't provide one. :dunno:






The 10T jack. Cut off the plastic holders. Scratched the "foot" as well as a foldable handle as kit one didn't...Also have plans to build the holders from brass and decorate with some wingnuts from the spares box. Will look to do the same with the cleaning rod and holders.






Two and a half hours doing this thing. And it came out looking alittle grimy....The amount of time I spent trying fuse wire, copper wire, sprue to simulate the handles.... And then the brass I cut for the straps would not stay "super" glued to the extinguisher. Man. This was a candidate for "oh, it's not on the kit because the crew threw it away...."

I was so eager to put this to sleep that I forgot to glue the nozzle to the darn thing. :lol:







A book I have shows alot of early StuGs running around with the front fenders up. Great idea. Now, can anyone tell me what else lived under the fenders? I'm interested in (for the sake of whatever sanity I have left), how the front most piece of guard that lives under the front hinged fender, was attached to the hull....



Home stretch...may the things you glue remain glued! :)

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9 years 4 months ago #156 by Bishop
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I can, I still have plastic DML ones that have detail so give me a tick and I'll take shots.

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9 years 4 months ago #157 by Bishop
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Ha, no I don't they're the rear ones... :whistle: But, I do have a nice piece of battle damage on the Wiking III J2 that will do the trick for us. Very simple. The hinge almost looks like the MIAG fender bracket, but I digress.

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9 years 4 months ago #158 by Bishop
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Two more showing the same thing. For discussion purposes only, copy right acknowledged

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9 years 4 months ago #159 by agyoung33
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Thankyou Bish, some very good reference. :) If you could give me a shot of the III just above the drive sprocket it'd be great. The tubular support running accross the fender I knew about, but how is it attached to the hull? (Weld, bolts....). The drawings I have just seem to show a confusion of angled lines projecting at an angle.

And the rear fenders I have some quite good reference on. Both have a triangular shaped plate underneath them.

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9 years 4 months ago #160 by Bishop
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Yes, tonight

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9 years 4 months ago #161 by Bishop
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Ok, the part you see is for the right hand fender as shown in the first picture. The fender damage means that the front part of the piece is missing so I've shot the front and back of the whole piece

Were it sits on the tank

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As it glues onto the tank this side out as it were

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The reverse. Note the two tiny pins are attachment pins that fit in holes in the side of the hull, they don't match the bolt heads on the outer face. The smaller rectangular part is the part that's missing on the example on the tank. It sets the angle for the fender when its in the down position.

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Hope that makes sense

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9 years 4 months ago - 9 years 4 months ago #162 by agyoung33
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Thanks Bish, really appreciate the effort :)

I'm wondering though if the Pz III you've got there, correlates to a later Stug ausf - say ausf G, in that it has towing attachments which are cut from extensions of the the hull sides.

The shape of the rectangular plate that sets the angle of the moveable fender doesn't match the pictures I have of the plate that does a similar job on the Stug c/d. The Stug c/d one comes to a very sharp point at the end, more angular than a rectangle shape turned on its side.

Anyway, thanks again, it's great you've gone to all that trouble mate! :) :cheer:

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9 years 4 months ago #163 by Bishop
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The III has the extensions seen on the part, and the StuG has the main part, yes that's correct. Interesingly that part is found on an early J so yes, its probably more the F fender rather than the C/D now that I think of it. Crap. Aaannnnnddddddrrrrrrreeeeeewwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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9 years 3 months ago #164 by agyoung33
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Update time.....

Small things take alot of time I am finding out again. I've now done enough tracks for both sides - a total of 190. I plan to knock all of them off and have about 50 to drape over the vehicle when done.

I've;

- drilled out the guide teeth
- filled or sanded away the two pin marks on the inside face of each track link
- filed between the connection points so that the links connect together without problem.

I won't bore you with a photo but needless there are times when a nice AM set would've relieved the tedium somewhat....

I finally did find out what was underneath the mud guard.



And the more I looked at the tools the more I was inclined to get at them with some wire and plastic. I built up some brackets for the jack and the cleaning rods. I topped them off with some brass wing nuts that I'd gotten from Dean.









I finished off the tool box by adding the straps and a buckle, using tape. It's the first set I've ever made and I'm feeling quite cool about it all.



We seem to be drifting at the moment. I found out that the "d" had the intercomm system so I'll make some boxes for that. There is some detail on the gun tube itself just outside of the fighting compartment that I'd like to add. And, there are some racks for a radio between the commanders and loaders position. Anyone know anything about that? :whistle:

Exterior wise, I'm still thinking of mashing one of the rear mudguards - a bridge too far? And I've also started thinking about rear deck stowage (a field workshop job). A bicycle in 1/35? I know Tam put out a BMW m'bike, but that might be taking the mickey. :unsure: :dry:

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9 years 3 months ago #165 by Bishop
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There was only one spot for the radio (beside the commander) unless you're doing a Befehlspanzer version. I haven't seen the layout for that. Lovely detail on all these bits and pieces.

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9 years 3 months ago #166 by agyoung33
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Thanks mate!

Ah. Ok, so if I made the frames and just left them empty that would be ok? The frames from what I can gather via photographs are situated in the area between the commanders and loaders hatches ie the frames themselves are connected to the roof.

Forgot one last shot.



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9 years 3 months ago #167 by Maarten
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your like me ,dont like tools without the clamps...looking good!

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9 years 3 months ago - 9 years 3 months ago #168 by agyoung33
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Yeah Maarten - always tried to get a better representation with the tools. I think fuse wire was one of the first things I discovered as a cheap and fast alternative.

As to bending tiny pieces of brass - well. That's in the future! :side:

On another note, I am just so ready to begin the painting process....

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9 years 3 months ago #169 by Bishop
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Tried the brass, no back to the wire idea

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9 years 3 months ago #170 by Glenn
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Love the extra details you have added to this kit :)
Going to have to do the same to the tool clamps on my models from now on :woohoo:
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9 years 3 months ago #171 by Tony Lee
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Nice B)
Those little things add heaps to the finished model.

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9 years 3 months ago #172 by agyoung33
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Thanks guys!

Yeah, little details. I had a small piece of squre metal rod that I used to use to bend all fuse wire with - can I find it now? :whome:

I'm surprised that you gave up on the little pieces of brass Bish. I'm looking forward to getting to these eventually - it'll add a new dimension to the tools I'm sure. Might also ofcourse mean that I'll be drinking heavily before long...

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9 years 3 months ago #173 by Bishop
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I find that they are simply too large, and my hands as well. Too hard for too little return I'm afraid

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9 years 3 months ago #174 by agyoung33
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Hi again!

Just dealing with the exterior details now. Must've added 50 bolt heads etc etc. Also had a go at refining the lamps, horns and the rear mudguards.




This is supposedly an attachment for the Fu16 radio transmitter, just inside the loaders hatch. There is another one on the other side. I made some fuse wire hook and placed then inside the hatches as well as the side of the superstructure.










The radio aerial guard was just the pits. Very frustrating as the metal is hard to bend, and there is no former to get the correct height for the rail. The LHS metal strips were ever so slightly shorter than the RHS. Man!!!

The end ones were inaccurate and I'd had enough. I made them out of rod and strip.





The armoured smoke discharger. Made some brackets for it as the kit ones were too thick.

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9 years 3 months ago #175 by agyoung33
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Con:






Armoured cover for the radio. The kit piece was pretty simplified so I built another aerial base. I saved the "nut" from the kit piece and also added the lead from fuse wire. To my eye I should have used some thinner plastic for the bracket but at this point (straight after the aerial guard) I wasn't too fussed about anything! :wail:





Head lamp guards. Easier than expected, except ofcourse for the pin marks just inside the strength ribs on the tow lugs. I did entertain the thought of having one of them open, so I got the motor tool out and ground it down pretty thin. But then reality stepped in. I did not want to scratch a head lamp.... :blink:





A compromise. I couldn't quite figure out the "which went where" first so...I'll pack some mud into there.




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9 years 3 months ago #176 by agyoung33
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Con:

Last bit for this update.

I thought seeing as I had the brass sheet, why not go nuts here and see how small I can bend the stuff while replacing or enhancing some of the kit parts.












As it stands. It's starting to look like a StuG!!






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9 years 3 months ago #177 by Andrew
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Looking sweet man B)

Nice detailing work :woohoo:

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9 years 3 months ago #178 by Glenn
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Man you have added so much extra detail to this kit,great work :cheer:
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9 years 3 months ago - 9 years 3 months ago #179 by agyoung33
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Thanks alot guys.

Already I'm thinking of whats next in terms of Stugs anyway. I'd love to build an F F/8 or an early G in Grossdeutschland colours. Man, this has been a very fun build - and I haven't made a start on the rack yet! :cheer:

Edit: I think I'd definately go later Dragon for an F or F/8. Can't see myself getting excited again about how much surgery I've put into their old C/D... :)

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9 years 3 months ago #180 by Andrew
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Yeah, reward yourself with one of the newer smart kit StuGs :cheer: Go for the F/8 or maybe wait for the Ausf G late/final :woohoo:

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