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5 years 5 months ago - 5 years 5 months ago #1 by Powder
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There's plenty of info on the web regarding the 3 digit numbers often seen on German armour - but what if there's only one digit.

I'm planning to model the Tiger in the black & white photo from schwere-Panzer-Abteilung 508.



Is this the same tank in this colour photo?



And some talented person has drawn this colour rendition but I'm not sure which tank (if they are different tanks) they've based their artwork on:



I have a set of decals for 'White 3'. Could there have been other coloured ID numbers within the 508 div?
If a tank is put out of action and replaced - does the ID number get transferred to the replacement tank?

There's a few books available that might have the answers - but it's a bit of a gamble. Does anyone have these books?
'Combat History of schwere Panzer-Abteilung 508, In Action in Italy with the Tiger I'
'Tigers in Combat' 3x Volumes.
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5 years 5 months ago - 5 years 5 months ago #2 by Maarten
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The first one has a hole in its turret bin,the second has a undamaged bin and it looks like it also has rubber rimmed wheels




'' I could sense things were about to kick off, so I got out of there !''


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5 years 5 months ago - 5 years 5 months ago #3 by Andrew
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Judging by this THREAD

it appears the second pic is indeed the same Tiger B)

First pic is of it KO'd/Abandoned in Italy. The second pic is believed to be in France

It's a wasted trip baby. Nobody said nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.
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5 years 5 months ago #4 by Powder
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Thanks guys. Was the steel wheel 'upgrade' something that would have happened in the field? - or only at the factory?

These are a few more photos that are all over the web:







Jeffrey Plowman's book 'Rampant Dragons' also has a photo (pg 223 of 2014 3rd Edition) of the same Tiger upside down after the 'Recovery Section' accidentally flipped it :whistle: ... but it was still drivable. :)
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5 years 5 months ago - 5 years 5 months ago #5 by Maarten
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Wheels were done at the factory in Germany , two different Tigers .

'' I could sense things were about to kick off, so I got out of there !''


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5 years 5 months ago #6 by Powder
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So the coloured 'artwork' has the steel wheels - so that's probably based on the Tiger in the black & white photos - and this 'artwork' has 'White 3' - which is the same as my decal sheet - so I'm happy :)

The decal sheet is for 508/3 in Rome, March '44 - with rubber wheels - so although they're for a different Tiger I'll still use the 'White 3s' for my build.

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5 years 5 months ago #7 by shaunfletcher
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Yeah I cant see it being the same tank either, too many differences. Also the paint scheme is completely differently places, though of course they could be a repaint.
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5 years 5 months ago #8 by Bishop
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A very interesting subject. Numbers were changed as tanks were redeployed or handed to a different division on the current owner's departure to the rear etc. Later in the war it was not uncommon to have no numbers as well.

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5 years 5 months ago #9 by Andrew
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After digging in a bit more, I concur it isn't the same Tiger.

The 508th s.Pz.Abt were issued 45 Tiger I's between Dec 1943 and Jan 1944. Almost 60% of these were lost in transit due to mechanical breakdown in a 200km drive to attack the bridgehead at Anzio.

11 Tigers were shipped to the 508th from the ordnance depot on 23 March (5) and 25 April (6). A further 27 were supplied between the 3 and 5 of June.

It seems likely that the original '3' (with rubber road wheels) was lost and a replacement '3' was reissued (with steel road wheels)

It's a wasted trip baby. Nobody said nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.
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