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Fokker D. VII

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4 years 8 months ago - 4 years 8 months ago #1 by arrowtrader
Fokker D. VII was created by arrowtrader
Would like to join this group build - my subject is the Fokker D.VII in 1/48 by Roden.
Photos of box and sprues.. :)



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4 years 8 months ago #2 by Powder
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Oooh I like this. I have the Roden 1/72 kit - I also have a set of decals for an aircraft called Mimmi.

My kit is the 'D.VIIF Late' which was BMW powered. I see yours is just called the 'Late' version. Is that still BMW powered? - although as with my kit they provide both engines.

There's plenty of reviews/build-logs online for the 1/72 kit and I guess it's the same for 1/48. Roden seem to leave plenty of 'opportunity for improvement' in some of their kits. :unsure:
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4 years 8 months ago #3 by Bishop
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You seem to have both engines with this kit too.

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4 years 8 months ago - 4 years 8 months ago #4 by Andrew
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Nice choice B)

How will you be tackling the camo pattern?

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4 years 8 months ago #5 by arrowtrader
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The lozenge pattern is provided as decals, but given how the wing surface has a very fine 'fabric' texture it is not going to be easy - will probably need some setting solution. I did paint the lozenge pattern on an old Revell 1/72 Fokker d vii back in the '80's , but it must have looked horrendous. A useful fact about the Fokker D.VII is that by this stage the Germans developed a wing with internal structures that avoided the need for bracing wires, so in the model there is very little rigging.

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4 years 8 months ago #6 by arrowtrader
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The kit supplies two different engines the actual one to use according to the instructions is BMW, but I don't think much will be visible through the top of the engine cowling - the detail provided should be more than adequate. There is the option to leave the side panels open, but there is not enough detail to justify it ?

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4 years 8 months ago #7 by Powder
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arrowtrader wrote: The lozenge pattern is provided as decals, but given how the wing surface has a very fine 'fabric' texture it is not going to be easy - will probably need some setting solution.


If you have trouble with the kit decals, and from what I've read they can be difficult, Aviattic make spares which apparently are easier to work with.
They aren't cheap, so try the kit decals first, but sometimes it's good to have a back-up plan.
www.aviattic.co.uk/148-fokker-dvii.html
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4 years 8 months ago #8 by arrowtrader
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Thanks - that is a useful link. I read how Roden's decals can be very fragile - will be interesting when i get to it!
There is of course the option provided in the kit to produce an overall White model - no patterns of any sort!, actually the one flown by Hermann Goering, so if the decals fall to bits, I can take the boring option (Not).....

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4 years 8 months ago #9 by Powder
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The Goering option is in my 1/72 kit too. I wasn't planning to do it but I vaguely remember reading that his aircraft had a special 'cut-down' cockpit side, so there's something to research if you go that way.
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4 years 8 months ago #10 by Gary
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I have this kit as well, and it also includes 2 or 3 sets of decals so if you stuff up I might have a spare set. I was thinking of scanning the lozenges and making masks from the different colour layers, my cutter could easily do that.



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4 years 8 months ago #11 by arrowtrader
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So I've made a start, Engine completed - not much to write home about, but looks convincing from above which is going to be the main thing :P
Also apparently the fabric covering was all lozenge pattern, painted afterwards, and so in the cockpit the reverse side of the lozenge was still visible, but a faded / 'pastel' version. To try and acheive this I mark the pattern roughly and colour in with marker pens, then coat with alclad lacquer (to hopefully prevent the top coat mixing - usually works), then make up a very thin 50;50 mix of humbrol 71 'satin oak' and Hu 148 'radome tan' , and spray this over the top until the right effect is acheived, Again what you end up seeing should look the part.




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4 years 8 months ago #12 by Powder
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Nice start on the cockpit - that lozenge effect has come up really well.
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4 years 8 months ago #13 by Bishop
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Very clever work with the interior so far and a nice looking engine

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4 years 8 months ago #14 by arrowtrader
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Completed to the stage of fixing the lower wing. The fit of the parts is generally not too good, a bit warped, too big/small and no locator pins anywhere (I know - boo hoo). But after a bit of trial and error lots of 'dry fitting/ bending/ trimming/ filling, is starting to look like a bought one. :lol:


Then colour check - I went with a 2:1 mix of Humbrol 154 'insignia yellow' : Hu 99 'lemon',

and spray on a yellow undercoat, which only showed up the filling bits I missed...



Next we will have fun with the lozenge decals :ohmy:

'till next time
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4 years 8 months ago #15 by Powder
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arrowtrader wrote: The fit of the parts is generally not too good, a bit warped, too big/small and no locator pins anywhere (I know - boo hoo). But after a bit of trial and error lots of 'dry fitting/ bending/ trimming/ filling, is starting to look like a bought one. :lol:


Yep, it's definitely a Roden kit :)

Good on you for sticking with it and good luck with the lozenge decals.
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4 years 8 months ago #16 by Bishop
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These look amazing if you can get them applied without hassle. Watching closely.

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4 years 8 months ago #17 by Tiger
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What a nice old kite to be building, looking good so far even with a couple of wee issues,
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4 years 8 months ago #18 by Von Drinkoften
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My favourite WW1 aircraft and my preferred mount from Rise of Flight ;)

Fantastic job on that lozenge pattern! B)
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4 years 8 months ago #19 by arrowtrader
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Made some progress and had some adventures with lozenge decals :ohmy:


The whole decal for the top wing applied in one go
then coated with humbrol "Decal Fix" and Microsol - the decal certainly would not set right otherwise.



After drying remove all the waste from the edges with a stiff brush. Lots of extra lessons to learn with this technique but by the time I had finished both wings top and bottom I have the techniques all sorted - ready for the next one :P




bottom wing finished


showing the technique to prevent the bottom decal folding over while drying and sticking to the top surface - is very hard to remove once the solutions set :oops:



after the decals are applied and set start on the struts. Very important these are secure and positioned correctly - probably the biggest part of this build.

Almost finished . At this stage the top wing is in place and the landing gear just drying. Just some final decals, and control wires to fit, and it will be ready.

Its been a neat build, not easy but all good fun.

Finished photos should be up any day. Ta

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4 years 8 months ago #20 by Bishop
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Just wonderful work getting the decals to set. This is going to be outstanding.

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4 years 8 months ago #21 by Xtr3meNZer
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Wow, that would probably be my buggest decal if I ever done this build. You've done a great job there
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4 years 8 months ago #22 by Tiger
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Wow this is coming along beautifully, :woohoo:
looks awesome
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4 years 7 months ago #23 by arrowtrader
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Final stages - top wing on, and control wires fed through holes made in the elevator/fuselage. Also control lines go from the little horns top and bottom of the ailerons of top wing into the wing :huh: , and from the top wing down to just in front of the cockpit.


The only real "rigging" is on the undercarriage, and one wire joining the tail to the elevators. For this and the control lines I use "stretched sprue" but important to get it ultra fine.

Final decals in position



Lots of people have commented on Roden's decals :angry: but I have found them to be Ok :) - the black crosses on the top wing broke into 4 pieces on contact with water, but apart from that, the rest of them (and thankfully the big lozenge patterns), all held together quite well. Roden's plastic is very soft, which makes the struts seem a bit wobbly to start with, and the landing gear is very wobbly until , get this, you install the rigging wires - just like a real one.
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4 years 7 months ago #24 by Xtr3meNZer
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That is looking very cool dude. Than ks for the info about the decals :P it's really hit and miss now-a-days with each kit I think... two people can have the same kit, but have different experiences with decals...
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4 years 7 months ago #25 by arrowtrader
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Some finishing touches added..



Close up of cockpit - can't get a very good photo inside, but when the sun shines through the fabric pattern is quite effective.Will try and get a shot of this.



Front view showing the propeller and guns



Overall pic showing finish - I decided to add some 'streamers' to the wing and tail edges like the picture on the box.



and a pic from the ground up looking forwards - underside pattern on the wings.

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and So that completes the build. It was very interesting and I learnt some new techniques, and as far as I'm concerned Roden is all good :cheer:

Thanks for all the encouraging comments too, I know there are still some scruffy bits but hopefully overall the effect is quite convincing.
Hoping to set up a diorama for the final photos, so will be back then. Good luck
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4 years 7 months ago #26 by Xtr3meNZer
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Good look mate, well done on finishing, and will be very interested to see it on the dio as you said :)
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4 years 7 months ago #27 by Bishop
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That turned out very well. I like the securing wires.

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4 years 7 months ago #28 by Andrew
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Nice work B)

Looking forward to seeing the finished dio too

It's a wasted trip baby. Nobody said nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.
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4 years 7 months ago #29 by arrowtrader
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On second thoughts, maybe I'll remove the streamers :silly: - (a result of too much Pledge/ alclad fumes at the end?)

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4 years 7 months ago #30 by Von Drinkoften
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Brilliant job on this Fokker! :P
I quite like the streamers as well. B)

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