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Grant’s – Pacific GB – K-Force Korea 5 years 10 months ago #61

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Many thanks DA, I had not seen these! thanks.
The veterans they refer to are in the book I mentioned in an earlier post!
Cheers grant

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Another weekend passed and not much done, but slowly plodding along...
Today I decided to start my NZ Pattern Wheeled Carrier, which is the IMA resin kit with some tweaks. [See Post #27 of this thread]

- First off the rivets needed to be removed, that was fun!
I decided to leave some on the interior at the front, but the side rivets are yet to be removed.
- The drivers window was cut out and relocated to the centre from the RH side.
- The bren gun window should have been slightly narrower but I did not change this.
- The drivers floor area was also recessed and moved to the centre.
- Some other floor plates were also added from photo references.


Next job is to remake the front guards, as the shape is different to that of the kit which is actually an Indian Pattern Wheeled carrier MkII B.
I wont make them perfect as to much resin will need to be removed to do that, but it will be pretty close.

However I think some parts are missing, as I don't have any front hatch covers, lifting brackets etc... nothing that cannot be easily scratch built though...:(

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Glued the RH side hull on tonight and made a start to the RH front guard.
Looks better in real life than the photo.

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Slow and steady Grant :-). This is going to be a busy dio.
Watching all the way. Looking good to by the way :-)
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This diorama idea and build has huge 'meaning' right now because of the Korean War commemorations going on.
It's great stuff. The model making is top shelf and I am learning heaps about our involvement in the Korean conflict.

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Thanks guy, I guess that's half the fun learning history... I have learnt a lot on this war and our involvement since the start of this GB.

Anyway some great pictures following:

A US Sherman dug in...

British Centurion Mk3's...





More Kiwi's and their 25 Pounders...




And even during a war there is time for shiny guns and pressed uniforms!


And more of 16 Field Regiment. This quad is from 162 Battery as seen by the yellow strip on the tac sign.




This convoy shows parts of 10-Transprt coy, as well as 16 Field rgt.
A jeep leads a QL Bedford, followed by another Jeep and later a Quad gun tractor...


10 Transport Coy...



Eating time!


*I will update this post with photo credits and maybe better descriptions where I can...

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Awesome pics mate, I reckon those Centurions would of been some of the best armour of the war, pretty advanced for their time.

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Thanks Gary,
A point to note is that all those photo's I understand are from Kiwi' veterans from the war and are from personal collections.
They were part of an exhibition by the NZ-Korean association about two months ago...
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Awesome photos. Some of the armour shows considerable dirt and weathering, I guess especially the dug-in Sherman.
I gather Korea has a pretty harsh climate and terrain?
Might be a "license to weather" your models hard-out huh? Bring on the hairspray and salt?

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Yeh, that's why I had to have a tank as well, namely a NZ manned British Centurion ' Cavalry Charger'...
Hopefully I can do justice to the painting & weathering :)

I decided to stay true and correct the front of the NZ Pattern Carrier to the best I can.
The kits proportions are not quite correct, so its pretty hard to get it spot on, but the error prior to this change was too great, so off came the front, and on went a new one!

The steering wheel will also be corrected.
I don't want any veterans out there telling me off :P
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The guy on the turret of the 1st Centurion looks like he's wearing a German DAK cap.....

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...I'm guessing that guys hat on the Centurion its a US cap of some sort...

Update on the NZ Pattern Wheeled Carrier, front guards nearly complete.
Drive line & suspension done. and most of the big stuff.
I still need to make some custom lockers between the front & rear guards as well as for on top of the rear guards, as the kit supplied ones wont work for the Kiwi version. Then its just adding all the little bits.
I also need to make a radio tray and operators chair.
A number of little bits like the front & side window covers/door and the lifting lugs were missing from the kit but IMA are sending them out, so thumbs up to them!
It wont cut the mustard if it was for a show, but it will sit nicely in a Diorama.



The numbers are getting there...
I'm going to have to chop up the odd front axle to show steering, otherwise all the vehicles will be pointing straight :P

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Wow looking good Grant.
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Nice scratch-correction on the Pattern Carrier Grant. The whole collection of vehicles is looking excellent.
Can't wait to see more.
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This is coming along very nicely. Going to look very cool when done..

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Another weekend update,
Made a spare tyre frame for one of the Quads.
Also more or less finished off the major parts of their builds.
The other Quad will get a 'Kiwi' in theatre stowage frame added from reference photo's.


Finally a 25 Pdr made a showing ;)
I will look at some photo's to see if there is any simple extras I can add without taking to much time!
I plan to fit transport covers to the aiming, breach and muzzle on both guns, or a mix to liven things up a bit...


Also made a proper start of the Mk3 Centurion.
Lockers are on, and made a start with the photo-etch... oh the fun :P
Lots of Tamiya filler on this baby!


Still got another 25pdr to finish, and a Dingo scout car... better get my a into g with only 2.5 months left!
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Phew 2 1/2months left, not long to go. :-)
Looks good Grant
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lookin good Grant

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Lots of 1/35 Armor mainly WWII German and a few Modern British/American pieces, 1/32 Aircraft and 1/48 Aircraft. Aircraft chosen to replicate RNZAF and RAAF types through the years. Some RAF & USAF types exist also.

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...cheers guys,
Well the second 25pdr is done, and some minor work on the LPOP & Centurion progressing...

just doing some diorama planning of figures and the story line to work out what doors if any are open so the vehicles can be finalized and wheels turned etc... (only ~2 months to go :()

...its not quite working for me yet, but getting there and I don't want to take anything out, stubborn that way :)...

and a few more men arrived...

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The contours of the base will make all the difference I reckon, with an almost spiral movement up, around and across.
I recommend you think now about all the possible viewing angles. For instance, might the bridge be better slightly more central (or angled towards the centre more) so it is actually more over the top of the Quad & Gun combo coming up?
What will it look like when viewed from the top right corner (in the above photo) ...?
Just some thoughts to contemplate
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Thanks Wally,
That's what I am after input like that to get me thinking, to be honest I was quite focused on front viewing only...
What I will do is mock up the bridge and then do a small re-arrange and see how it looks from all angles as you say! :)
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Well I have streamlined the diorama so that it takes less room, and seems to be good from most angles.
The theme is the same, 10 Transport Coy moving over a bridge joining up with 161 Battery vehicles, while passing a dug-in Centurion...
There are enough real photos showing that this was a reasonable representation of a true movement...


Been working on the stowage & figures so I can conclude the vehicle builds and start squirting paint.
Using the new Riich figures in the LPOP as driver & radio op, one other will join probably from minimart.
The Jeep has a modified italieri figure with a beret instead of a helmet.
A modified Tamiya figue will be driving the QL.

Playing are with the QL's stowage...

I anticipate around ~15 figures in the end.
QL x1
Jeep x1 (or 2)
Dingo (x2 outside)
LPOP x3
Quad1 x3
Quad2 x2
Centurion x3

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Very nice Grant. Still watching keenly.
A fair bit of painting coming up soon, cool l would like to see how all that turns out with so many colour variations or tones ?, weathering etc.
The figures too, let us know how you get on there with so many, I have a project on at the moment with approx 15-20 figures might chicken out yet :-)
Great stuff
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Looking great Grant. Like the dio theme. Watching with interest

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Hi Grant, if it's okay with you I will push you again, perhaps as though you were an art student and I the art tutor ... just as an exercise
One thing I did fairly well in at Applied Arts was composition.
So now your dio layout makes more sense from a military POV but is less interesting to look at from a modelling or artistic POV.
The components are all running more-or-less parallel and all more-or-less parallel to the edges, your 'frame'.
The frame is incredibly important and interesting. Check out 'Golden Section' or Golden Ration online - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio
An A4 page is close.
You can get a quick compositon tutorial online too, eg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_%28visual_arts%29
To my eyes the 'drama' of the original spiral is gone and there's no strong indication the forces are merging and going off in one direction
To oversimplify, you previously had a spiral within a rectangle
I would consider expanding the size again to allow some sweeping corners in the roads and a longer section of the merged road
If the bridge crossed at more of an angle and assuming from another elevation completely to the lower road, even if it covers the Quad more, this would change things alot
You might end up with a (kind of) helix of roads within a rectangle (or square) frame - one branch of the helix being cut off by the Centurion lay-by ...?
Or maybe a kind of 'wonky Y' within a rectangular, square or even circular frame ...?
Anyhow, I suggest playing around some more looking for 'drama' in the composition.
Allow yourself some artistic or poetic (or dramatic) license too. Does it need to be 'realistic' as per the photos?
Think of the roads as lines on a blank piece of paper ... maybe even do some drawings in that most simple form ... lines on a page
Hope this stimulates thought and experimentation.
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Thanks Wally, I tend to agree...
Been reading a bit more on this, even dug out my old Shepard Pain diorama books... as well as had a good read of FAQ-2...
All say pretty much the same... anyway plodding along with the vehicles...

QL now ready for paint, just added a few simple items on the cab....
Will add the glazing tomorrow with masking.


Jeep also ready for paint :)
Still working on figures and stowage, but hope to have the LPOP ready tomorrow...
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Another weekend update, and another week closer to D-day...

I got some edging for the base so will play with some wood this week.
Diorama will revert back to something like I first proposed....

Quads just need their doors & glazing fitted, and then ready for paint.
Working on their stowage and figures now, and then they can sit with the QL & Jeep waiting for paint.

And also made some brass ties for the canvas roof...

Added an in-field rack to one of the quads. The top joints will be covered with stowage etc...

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With the quads now waiting for stowage and figures, I though I had better get the LPOP ready for the same...
I made a drum roller similar to that used on the White Scout cars, as these were fitted to the vehicles sent to Korea.
Outer is brass tube. I still need to make up the springs and details parts of the supports...
Radio tray also made, from photo's and drawings from 'Kiwi Armour 4, by Jeffery Plowman'.
Seats positioned for the figures, both radio operator and battery commander.

Both side lockers done now, with hinges added, just need to do the lock latch.
Made a new rear hatch plate as the kit one was a bit short, probably due to the way I joined the body sides rather than being incorrect...

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Coming along nicely, but oh so much to do . . .

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