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Operation Desert Storm 25th Anniversary

January 17th 2016 will mark 25 years since the US-led Coalition began airstrikes in a prelude to boots on the ground to force the withdrawal of Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi forces from Kuwait. To mark the 25th Anniversary, we will be commencing a Kiwimodeller Group Build, beginning January 17th 2016, and finishing on the 15th of July 2016.
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By the end of the GB (and no later than 24 hours after the completion date) participants should post five pictures of the completed build in the GB completed builds thread. There is no entry fee for the GB, but a donation for the upkeep of Kiwimodeller is welcome The winner of the group build will be decided by popular vote.
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ODS: Tamiya 1/48 F-117

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3 years 6 months ago #91 by grover
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Cheers guys, and yeah, I'm liking this plane more and more Bishop.

Just a little bit tonight. I had a look at the gaps where the 2 fuelsage halves met. Unfortunately I didn't spend enough checking the alignment before putting them together. There's hardley any gap but there is a little step between the 2 halves, and so I had started sanding that back. To make it a little easier and so I wouldn't end up sanding too much I decided to try a couple of different fillers. I used some of the Tamiya liquid surface primer, and some Perfect Putty. On the other side I thought if Phil's trick to use lacquer thinner to weld the joins together. Unfortunately, I don't have any lacquer thinner, but thought that Mr Hobby Levelling Thinner would work. It didn't really but it was worth a try.
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Of the other two, neither was perfect
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So I ended up putting a coat of Stynylrez primer on just to really see the gaps, see where I needed to spend the time and to help spot any other issues the black styrene was hiding.
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Hopefully back to the prep work tomorrow if I get time.

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3 years 6 months ago #92 by Tiger
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Looking good Grover
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3 years 6 months ago #93 by Terry
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You're making good progress Kane. A good reminder I need to get back to my own Nightwhak project soon. Watching with interest.
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3 years 6 months ago #94 by grover
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Cheers Tiger & Terry

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3 years 6 months ago #95 by Marcus.Q1000859
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Coming together nicely Kane. I am looking forward to seeing how you approach the all black scheme. There will be a few of us looking for tips with the Bomber Command GB on the horizon.

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3 years 6 months ago #96 by IAN
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Looking extremely neat.

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3 years 6 months ago #97 by Viperbuilder
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Yes, looking very tidy. It looks to be Kane's best work to date. Like.

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3 years 6 months ago #98 by Fritz
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Looking real nice Kane!

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3 years 6 months ago #99 by Bishop
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Looks good a lighter colour. Funny to think it will go all black again.

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3 years 6 months ago #100 by grover
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Cheers guys. I hope I can live up to the expectations re the painting. And you're not wrong Bishop, there are shapes you just cant see in black, that suddenly come to when I sprayed it grey. I did for a second think about doing a "Have Blue" mockup

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3 years 6 months ago #101 by Xtr3meNZer
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Good work dude, hopefully the gaps, if any, aren't too much of a pain!
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3 years 6 months ago #102 by CyNaKyL
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Nice idea about Have Blue, but while they look similar the airframes are quite different, not just in size (have blue is about half the size of the f117). Sad story, they don't know where these ended up, 1 crashed flying out of area 51 and they supposedly just bulldozed earth over the crash site and didn't note where it was, the other probably got chopped up along with other black projects and shoved in a deep hole and buried. So we will most likely never ever see these again.

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3 years 6 months ago #103 by Bishop
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Wow, it is an interesting history indeed. I was thinking more of a desert camouflage, but it has to be black to maintain the stealth of course.

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3 years 6 months ago - 3 years 6 months ago #104 by CyNaKyL
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Later on they did have a grey F-117, which was a test to see if they could be painted different colours without affecting the stealth aspect of it and from memory it didn't change the cross section by any noticeable amount. Early in testing they also had one painted in a camo scheme similar to the israeli scheme used on the Vipers and Eagles.
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The camo scheme ones look photoshopped but are in fact real. They are confirmed by several pilots in one of the books I have read about them that they did have the scheme on one of the FSD airframes.


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3 years 6 months ago #105 by grover
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Thanks G2. I didn't realise the camo paint was actually a trial they thought about and year, very much Israeli like colours.

I decided to give the bottom another go over with primer as I find it hard to judge the surface just from feel.
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While I was at it, I also sprayed some of the other parts, knowing they would need clean up, but at least now I can see a bit more clearly how much clean up. It's going to be a bit of work getting all the parts ready for paint still.
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And the result of the priming of the underside of the fuselage is I need a lot more clean up there. Once I do sand everything back I may try some styrene filler. The perfect plastic putty comes out rather pitty / porous.

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3 years 6 months ago #106 by Bishop
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I really like the "Israeli" version. These are far more interesting than I thought.

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3 years 6 months ago - 3 years 6 months ago #107 by Powder
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grover wrote: Once I do sand everything back I may try some styrene filler. The perfect plastic putty comes out rather pitty / porous.


Great progress there Grover.
I've been thinking of trying out some styrene filler as well for the same reason - no matter how smoothly you sand it, regular filler/putty still absorbs paint more than the surrounding plastic and the finish of the primer coat looks patchy. I've just ordered some Tamiya Surface Primer (I've never used it before) to see if it 'seals' normal filler/putty prior to priming.
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3 years 6 months ago #108 by grover
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Cheers Powder and Bishop. It's interesting that a lot of things are assumed in any kind of endeavor that requires skill. It's assumed that you will know how to sand, know how to glue 2 parts together, know how to do a lot of simple stuff. You realise however after watching something be explained, and then when you try what was suggested and seeing all your struggle fade away, that actually being shown properly is a huge help. Just the confidence to go attack a piece of plastic confidently with a sander, or a brush or an airbrush really shows in the results. And this is how I found my sanding session today after watching a video on the subject. I was able to go in fix a lot of the problems I was having trouble with before, and this job doesn't seem to daunting now. All the seems are now smooth as.
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There's just a couple of areas I needed to give more attention. Actually, I probably could have gotten away with them as they are, but I figured while I was on a roll so to speak. I made this styrene filler mix last year. I've never really used it. Probably should have done some testing first but I think I got it in the places I needed it. Will see in the morning when I give it another sand.
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3 years 6 months ago #109 by CyNaKyL
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Tamiya light curing putty doesn't seem to suffer the pitting/porous problem that plagues some other fillers (not that I have ever come across it myself before but hey ther is always a first time). It dries quickly when exposed to UV light and sands really well, almost like resin but nicer (?).

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3 years 6 months ago #110 by Bishop
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Watching how this goes. I have MR's version of this filler. Good for small gaps, so hopefully your version will work well.

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3 years 6 months ago - 3 years 6 months ago #111 by grover
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I'll find out how well it has worked tonight when I put on another coat of primer. Good thing about this build is that it doesn't matter if I lose some detail from the panel lines with too much primer.

I found my Vallejo putty today which was good timing. The join where you attached the tail find insert into the larger section required some attention.
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I'm going to prime the top tonight too so I gave it a wipe down with Iso to clear off any dust and oils. Hopefully it won't need any further preparation.
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3 years 6 months ago #112 by Von Drinkoften
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Nice work sorting out the various joins.
If you haven't tried it yet, I recommend Mr Surfacer 500 & 1000 applied with an old paint brush.
It's great for filling smaller joins and blending parts together, and wipes off easily with a cotton bud moistened in lacqer thinner.
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3 years 6 months ago #113 by grover
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Cheers VD. I have some Mr Surfacer 1500. I used that but didnt look at wiping away the excess. I may try that. I just put on some more primer and there's still some areas that need clean up. So hard to see on black styrene.

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3 years 6 months ago #114 by Bishop
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It's not small is it. Really looking forward to the paint going on this. You've done a beautiful job of putting it together. All the filling and sanding. :S AFVs usually only mud and welds added.

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3 years 6 months ago #115 by Terry
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Good progress Kane. I used Perfect Putty on my F-117A and likewise found it to be grainy and almost sponge like in its ability to soak up primer and remain grainy. It also has an annoying amount of shrinkage if applied thick. Car bog beats it's hands down, especially if you like to stink the room out :sick: I'll probably stick to using car bog or hobby fillers in future, but I'm also keen to try out the styrene filler at some point.
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3 years 5 months ago #116 by grover
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Thanks guys. Back to this now the Vanship is finished. I decided to paint the yellow band around the GBUs instead of using the decals, so I painted the area yellow.
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I didn't have any tape thin enough, about 2 mm, so I just cut some
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Then I gave them a good coat of Olive Drab.
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Im not too sure if I should weather them. Im thinking if I do it should be really light. I also wonder if I should have pre-shaded them? Any tips?

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3 years 5 months ago - 3 years 5 months ago #117 by Bishop
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Weathering these could be a possibility as they would have been waiting around and would get scratched up with loading etc. The question really is how much you want to weather the plane, will it be used (active service sort of thing), or is it just on display? If that is the case then the weathering is really only to highlight things. Just thinking out aloud here. Very nice work spraying these up btw.

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3 years 5 months ago #118 by Xtr3meNZer
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Man... that is a much easier way of doing those stripes!! I always painted them afterwards... Really should have thought about doing it this way... hats off to you!

I don't know about the weathering side of things for weapons sorry dude. As Bishop said, depends on how you want it to be displayed?
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3 years 5 months ago #119 by Phil
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When weathering LGBs, it's ok to weather the warhead (ie the bomb body) as these tend to be stored for quite some time, sometimes outside. Fading of the paint is ok, and depending on the environment rain streaking and at the most extreme a little rust around the lug wells. Some images of Vietnam era bombs show some quite heavy weathering. Modern bombs tend to be much tidier.

It's not appropriate to weather the GCS and Airfoil unit (nose and tail) as these are kept stored in hermetically sealed containers, and only fitted to the bomb body within a fairly short time (hours or days, not weeks or months) before loading. Also it is pretty common that the nose and tail are noticeably different colours to the bomb body.

On the point of porous primer, I find a light coat of extra thin CA seals porous putty quickly.
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3 years 5 months ago #120 by Xtr3meNZer
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