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Bf-109F 8 months 2 weeks ago #1

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Hi,

Here is my Zvezda 1/48 109-F.

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Bf-109F 8 months 2 weeks ago #2

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Sweet!!!!

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Bf-109F 8 months 2 weeks ago #3

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Just beautifully done!!! Nice and clean and I love the camouflage.

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Bf-109F 8 months 2 weeks ago #5

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That looks good with the "different" colour scheme from the run of the mill stuff usually seen, and a nice clean build too.

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Bf-109F 8 months 1 week ago #6

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This is 'Critics corner' so to pick holes, aside from the fact it is overall very pleasing to the eye, the airburshing makes mine look horrid, and I love the yellow nose and the wheels.

Some of the decals seem really clean and bright, especially on the right side.
The engine bay and exhaust is much too clean in comparision to everything else.
Overall there is a lack of colour variation when compared to real photos. (I understand this may be an effect in the very brightly lit photos of the model)
Panel joints/lines seem understated compared to real photos of in-service 109s (again this may be a photographic thing)
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Bf-109F 8 months 1 week ago #7

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All very interesting Shaun.

How do you suggest I correct these shortcomings in future builds??

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Bf-109F 8 months 2 weeks ago #8

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Decals I guess just blending them after application with the base or a filter.. maybe distress a few edges.
Engine bay whatever dirt/grime wash or pigment you favour, and some drips/splashes of an engine-oil kind of effect would make a lot of difference
Colour variation.. either some lightening darkening panels in the preshade (not panel line stuff, but individual panels maybe, or oil filters after which give you very subtle control
Panel lines I guess just a more aggressive pin-wash or something like the clay washes people are swearing by these days?

All just a taste thing really though, except the engine bay one which I think is so easy and a no brainer as far as bang for the buck goes.

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Bf-109F 8 months 1 week ago #9

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Shaun thanks for the considered feedback. Here is my view on it.

Paint shade variation and pin washes are just a style thing. It’s a style of finishing technique / weathering. Which I think can be appropriate to some subjects not others. I think you need to consider lots of factors when deciding how appropriate it is JG 54 is ‘famous’ for seemingly repainting its Aircraft to better suit the operational environment they flew in. Plus the operational life of fighters in WW2 was often very short...


The engine bay...

I had a look at these images when I was building the model along with a few others as I have a bit of reference stuff for the 109...



A couple are of Trautlofts aircraft. They’re black and white but to me that’s not a particularly grubby engine bay. If a high performance V12 aero engine has an oil leak then it’s fixed. Plus piston engines are heavily maintained. So while there will be a bit of grubbiness it’s not going to look like a 1970’s Mk2 Ford Cortina in there...

So having it dirty and oil stained is likely wrong..

Here are a couple of images of another JG54 109F



Those markings look pretty fresh and clean to me... Hannes Trautloft was In command of JG 54 so it’s entirely reasonable to suggest based on the photographic record of his aircraft and others JG 54 Aircraft that they were pretty well maintained and the markings were tidy and clean.

As a Luftwaffe mechanic would you mess this guy around...



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Bf-109F 8 months 1 week ago #10

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Clearly you have considered this so all respect! As you say, style and taste.. and if it is intended to look pretty fresh-painted that's of course different and she does look very fine!

I should clarify the panel lines remarks though.. I didn't mean really a wear thing, to my eye on the photos of 109s the panels are just quite visually prominent. Also with the engine I didn't intend to make it sound like I thought it should be an old dunger, just subtle stuff ;)

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Bf-109F 8 months 1 week ago #11

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There's as many opinions about JG54 Messerschmitt schemes and patterns as there are modellers who build them so I'm staying clear of that discussion.

John, as a general suggestion for future projects I would look at two things - first would be a light overall pin-wash to give depth to the panels, either good quality oils or (my favourite) Flory Wash (water & clay based). Secondly and depending how used you want the final effect, I'd look at using the oil-dot method to simulate fluid, fuel and oil leaks. I use both of these to a greater or lesser extent to get that filthy & grimy effect on the undersides of my WWII builds.











Hope this helps.


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Bf-109F 8 months 1 week ago #12

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Thanks Ian....

You’re a wise man steering clear of the JG54 colour debate.. TBH that’s not what ‘critics corner’ is for is it?? Anyhow.....

You’ll be glad to hear I did give the build a pin wash made from burnt umber oil and Tamiya x-20 enamel thinner. I then buffed most of it off with a clean paper towel. So there is a trace in the control surface lines,on the spinner and here and there. Just enough to hint at some dirt but not enough to make it look like an inky panel line job... That can be appropriate for some builds but not all.

Understood on the undersurface weathering I think that for me falls into a ‘style’ of paint and weathering and it had to be appropriate for the subject your modelling.

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Bf-109F 8 months 6 days ago #13

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Lovely job on the 109 John.

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Awesome job on the 109. :woohoo:

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Bf-109F 6 months 2 weeks ago #15

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Beautiful looking model with an oddity. Everything looks clean except for the wheels/tyres.
Personally, if I was to show wear/weathering, then everything exposed to the environment gets tainted with the same brush so to speak. This is the same for a clean presentation. I would not mix the two unless I am showing a mechanic replacing an old part with a new.

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Hi Sparky ,

Thanks for your views....

It’s possible to have a generally clean airframe and operate it on a muddy taxiway or airstrip and the wheels get dirty as they are in contact with the ground and the rest of the airframe remains relatively clean.

Take a look at this Romanian 109 E




Generally clean but with dust /dirt on the wheels from the grass strip it’s operating from.

HTH

John
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Bf-109F 6 months 2 weeks ago #17

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My 2 cents..............
It's a beautiful finish, it looks just right and I would love to have it in my cabinet alongside the models you left at AiC............

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Well done looks terrific...

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