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CN/IC GP38-2 #9605 & #9636 8 years 5 days ago #1

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I started this project a while ago and I try to document it here on the forum step-by-step with pictures from the beginning to the hopefully not so far end...





I started with two Atlas GP38 I have had and ordered some parts from Atlas to turn the GP38s into GP38-2s.



- Trainman GP38-2 shells
- Blomberg M type trucks (or do I have to call them bogies)

plus a whole lot of other parts from the usual suspects like Railflyer, Details West, Cannon & Co., BLMA etc., a whole list of all the parts can be found here: http://www.steve4painting.com/custom/partsa.html

while I was waiting on all the detail parts to arrive in New Zealand I started with the decals for the project.

- first I have had to find the right font (or at least as close as possible)


- next step was to match the right size


- beside the normal CN decals from Microscale and MGDecals I have the numbers and numberboards ready


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the first parts which did arrive were the Sergent couplers. unfortunately they only have had the unbuilt versions available so I have had to build these very realistic looking couplers myself...





but they look way better than all the other H0 scale knuckle couplers out there

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The molded on cooling fans on the Atlas Trainman GP38-2 shell are replaced with Cannon & Company 'thinwall' fans #1704.


same with the radiator (and air intake) grills, they are wrong on the Atlas Trainman shell, they were replaced with Cannon & Co. parts as well...






air intake grills






next thing wrong on the Trainman shell is the hand brake


I removed the molded on hand brake part


and replaced it with Atlas GP40-2 parts...


much better looking now...

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The Non Dynamic Brake Hatch with the four Exhaust Stacks I am building out of Atlas parts (one each) #900804 (GP38-2 Non-Dynamic Brake Hatch) & #896246 (GP38 Non-Dynamic Brake Hatch) and 2x Detail Associates Exhaust Stack 'EMD' Non-Turbo, GP/SD # 2402.





I didn't find many pictures with a clear view of the roof and the exhaust stacks. One I have found did look like this with additional panels under the exhaust stacks. I did use a 0.008 brass sheet I cut into squares and glued them onto the roof and the Exhaust Stacks on top of them and added also some Plano Lift Rings (PL-14651).




The Exhaust module is mounted to the shell, I did use Tenax 7R. The bell found its place on the shell as well.

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All the molded on marker lights have to go as well, I shaved them off with a X-Acto #17 'chisel' and glued BLMA #4551 Removed Headlight Covers on instead. The two CN/IC Geeps have a Nose Light instead of the Cab Light. For the Nose Light I used Railflyer DP-6620 Pyle Headlights and built a base with a piece of styrene.







I didn't like the look of the nose light so I replaced it with a more modern nose light which I cut off the rear of a Kato SD40-2 shell, much better...

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In order to mount the Railflyer etched steps and etched pilot the plastic steps and pilot on the Atlas Trainman GP38-2 shell have to go.







Holly crap - they are a pain to build... (Railflyer DP-6018 EMD GP Wide Platform Steps P1) - Lucky me I have had some low melting solder and a bottle of very good flux handy to build these steps - that would be a nightmare with glue, no matter how super.

Railflyer Instruction: 'How To Build...'



Despite all the pain to build them - they do look great thou...



Four down - another four to go...



Another Milestone - all eight done...



The Flux and the Low Melting Solder... 'the good stuff' to build these steps

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The two CN/IC Geeps are equiped with ditch lights on the front and on the rear. These ditch lights are not available from any of the usual suspects so the task was to build them from scratch. I started with a 3.5mm wide stripe of styrene. filed one end round and cut it to the right lenght. on top comes a Railflyer Single Pyle Headlight DP-6632.



Eight Ditch Lights - Done. Now, brackets...



Brackets - Done... I did cut a thin brass stripe into lenght, folded it and glued the ditch light on it. The brackets will be soldered to the Railflyer brass pilot first and then will the ditch lights be glued in place.

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I have absolutely no idea what this pipe is for but it is there on the prototype so I did build it on the model as well. I couldn't find this part from the usual suspects so I made my own. the brackets are made out of 0.010 brass wire and the pipe is a piece of the Atlas trucks power pickup wire I replaced with more flexible one.



Some more piping done including the Air Filters (Details West #FF-139).





These models are also equiped with an EMD Angled Waste Retention Tank (Railflyer # DP-6170) which I soldered together with low melting solder.







The underframe details are all on. The front part of the underframe with the Air Filters.







The rear part of the underframe with the Waste Retention Tank and a kit bashed Air Dryer.







Another detail I have seen on prototype pictures is this tube. Some have a yellow lid on it, some are just a bare tube, again I have no idea what the purpose of this tube is, it is there so I tried to model it. I used a piece of aluminium tube which I soldered to the frame.

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First I painted the wheels with CSX gray (just because I have had this gray available) and on top of that I painted the wheels rusty brown.





Then I painted each wheel individually with WINTON Oil Paint to give each wheel an unique rusty look. Into the still wet oil paint I mixed MIG Products Pigments. (all these steps are better described on Brian Bannas website .)





Wheels are all done, next step the truck sideframes. The truck sideframes did receive a sander bracket on one side (as per prototype) and a Speed Recorder cable on the front truck.





After the sideframes were painted and received a basic weathering I have had to assemble them. (one thing I did as well was to replace the stock wire with a more flexible type of wire which was soldered to the brass pickup instead of the Atlas system, somehow I trust a soldered connection more)



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Holly shit, nice work there Steve are these actually running examples?
I went to the Model Railway expo at the weekend in Hamilton, met some interesting people there (don't fear people I'm not turning to the DARKSIDE, we rented a couple of tables for Waikato Model club to display our wares and try to gain some new members).

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can anyone please explain why the edit button did disapear ? I posted three times the same picture in #8 and tried to change it but there are no edit buttons anymore in my posts...

edit: strange, I can edit this one...

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What Gary said, that's outstanding stuff. Oh man you have to try some tank interiors. Bloody good

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Gary wrote: Holly shit, nice work there Steve are these actually running examples?


thanks, yes they will end up as running H0 scale models...

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Edits are time limited to around 30 minutes, this was done after a bunch of posts were edited and left blank.

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The missing pictures in Post #8

painted All Blacks GO



painted 'dirty'

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Re: CN/IC GP38-2 #9605 & #9636 7 years 11 months ago #16

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Amazing work there Steve, you certaionly know your EMD products! I can barely tell a Gp 35 from a 40!

Where did you get your lifting rings from? I was trying to find some last weekend at the expo, but all I got was blank stares from vendors. I want to add some to the GP40 I'm doing (see my thread on this forum)

I presume these are for a client?

BTW, any idea where I can get some HO Scale BN decals? Aftermarked bits for diesels seem to be a bit scarce in NZ.


Cheers,

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bikingmike wrote: Where did you get your lifting rings from? I was trying to find some last weekend at the expo, but all I got was blank stares from vendors. I want to add some to the GP40 I'm doing (see my thread on this forum)


I order all my detail parts from Jim @ MGDecals.com http://www.mgdecals.com he offers detail parts from all the big detail parts manufacturer and delivers very fast to NZ for a fair price...

I presume these are for a client?


they are for a friend, yes...

BTW, any idea where I can get some HO Scale BN decals? Aftermarked bits for diesels seem to be a bit scarce in NZ.


the only BN decals I have here are from Microscale for the EMD SD60M model... if you only need the BN logo I can share the decals as I only need a couple of them for a project...

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Hey there Steve

thanks for the link. Some BN logos would be great, although in reality I'd need a full set with numbers.

I have some MILW decals that I was going to use, but by the looks of things their locos were quite unique and I really can't be bothered making the necessary changes.

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bikingmike wrote: I'd need a full set with numbers


what engine are you building ? what road number ?

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Hi Steve

Any GP40 number from 3000 thru to 3063 (other than 3062) would be fine.

Do you want the MILW decals by way of return trade? They're Champ decals I think (would need to check)


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bikingmike wrote: Any GP40 number from 3000 thru to 3063 (other than 3062) would be fine.


not trying to be a smarta$$ here but numbers 3000 to 3063 are two different models. GP40 #3000 to #3039 and GP40-2 #3040 to #3063 most obvious spotting differences are the sight glass on the long hood and the cab roof overhang on the rear...

Do you want the MILW decals by way of return trade? They're Champ decals I think (would need to check)


no thank you, keep them...

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Hi Steve

The tag on the packaging sez it's a GP40-2 so I'll believe them.

Actually, I thought the sight glass was present on all from the GP38 onwards.

The finer points of train spotting are lost on me, just as if I were to point out the differences between a Spitfire Ia and Va to a lay person. Heck, even I can't tell the difference between some Spitfire marks... :whistle:

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bikingmike wrote: The finer points of train spotting are lost on me, just as if I were to point out the differences between a Spitfire Ia and Va to a lay person. Heck, even I can't tell the difference between some Spitfire marks... :whistle:


I made just this point in regards to the differences between all the StuG's and StuH's.... I even used the spitfire analogy. Everyone has their own area of expertise, some have trains, some have spits, some have StuG's so on and so forth.

By the way, nice work there Steve4, even though I'm by no means a train afficionado even I can spot excellent work when I see it.

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bikingmike wrote: The tag on the packaging sez it's a GP40-2 so I'll believe them.

Actually, I thought the sight glass was present on all from the GP38 onwards.


ok, a number above 3040 it is then... :)

...the Dash 2s have the sight glass, GP38-2, GP40-2, SD38-2, SD40-2


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cheers!

I didn't realise it was the -2 subtypes that were different; I guess there are many other subtle (and not so subtle) difference that only the true afficionado would know about. And then there's all the differences between different roads, and between each engine on the same raod. i think it's safe to say no two are the same!

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Mike, I will order decals from Microscale next week and if you like I can order the BN decals for you then you'll have all the decals not just the numbers and logos. let me know. This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. cheers...

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I finally got the new Sergeant couplers in (special built ones to use together with the Railflyer coupler plates) and so this build can go ahead again as well...

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some progress on one pilot - only 3 more to go...

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