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German Armoured Command Train Kommandozug 72B 2 months 2 weeks ago #1

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So I don't drag the BP 44 Armoured Train thread off topic I have started this thread to cover construction of 1/35th scale Command Train 72B which featured a front half of the standard set of armoured wagons from BP44 standard, a series 57 armoured locomotive (same as BP44 standard) followed by wagons off early German Army Protection Train.

IMG_0146 by tankienz , on Flickr

Starting off on the wagons of the rear section, three G10 vans (the last with Pz 38t turret) with internal armour, a tank carrier wagon which actually carried a Kubelwagon with tail end charlie being a low side wagon. The G10 vans will be modified Ironside kits while the tank carrier will be a modified Dragon Ommr gondola.

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German Armoured Command Train Kommandozug 72B 2 months 1 week ago #2

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Check the gauge between the two tupes of wagons. I've read that DML is slightly narrower than the trumpeter tracks. You might need to widen the wheels to get best fit

Watching on B)

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Looking good !
Ps
Last night i saw this movie ,in some shots you can see a german armoured train .

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Andrew wrote: Check the gauge between the two tupes of wagons. I've read that DML is slightly narrower than the trumpeter tracks. You might need to widen the wheels to get best fit

Watching on B)


Thanks for that tip which I wasn't aware of. Anyway I checked the back to back measurement of Trumpeter, Ironside and Dragon wheels today. All are within fraction of a mm of each other so no problem with the wheel spacing. I wonder if the issue is with Dragon track compared with Trumpeter track?

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Sorry, axle width would've been a better description of what I meant :blush:

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Escape hatches added to the van which allowed the train crew to dismount from stationary train from either side while protected by the train.

IMG_0178 by tankienz , on Flickr

And running gear side protection added to equipment carrier.

IMG_0179 by tankienz , on Flickr

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Wowza this is going to be awesome, watching on here :)

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This is growing very nicely Andrew. Half the interest is in the research. I've not thought much about these trains before

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Bishop wrote: This is growing very nicely Andrew. Half the interest is in the research. I've not thought much about these trains before


I have been doing heavy research. I have the gospel - 'German Armoured Trains 1904-1945' by Wolfgang Sawodny which is 448 pages long. It is heavy and hard to hold up for bed time reading :P

Apart from several smaller German Armoured train books I also have 'Les Trains Blindes 1826-1989' by Paul Malassari in both French and the more recent English editions both nearly 400 pages.

If nothing else I will have better biceps.

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Just had a look around for that book. On to the shopping list it goes before I progress with my train.

Book Depository has it for $120 delivered

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Yeah thats where I got mine. I think its worth the cost. The only disappointment is there is only a few paragraphs on colour schemes and markings and what there is lacks anything definitive on colours schemes and all the thousands(?) of pictures are black & white.

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Over the weekend I have been working the load spreaders the tanks sat on. Clearly designed so a tracked vehicle could sit on the wagon without moving around or being chained down.

IMG_0183 by tankienz , on Flickr

I have not yet secured the two 'V' shaped inner track guides as I think I may have made the two load spreaders a bit wide.

IMG_0185 by tankienz , on Flickr

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German Armoured Command Train Kommandozug 72B 2 months 4 days ago #13

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After a whole evening scribing through the two load spreaders to narrow them down the resulting proportions are much better.
Also in picture is Azimut van that arrived yesterday. It will be fitted with a Panzer 38t turret.

IMG_0186 by tankienz , on Flickr

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German Armoured Command Train Kommandozug 72B 2 months 2 days ago #14

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Good progress B)

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IMG_0187 by tankienz , on Flickr

Supports for armoured sides almost finished. Yeah as there are six pieces in each so far (and still building)

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German Armoured Command Train Kommandozug 72B 2 months 22 hours ago #16

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Top!
Looks real good,
I bought this kit so i had to get this book,


There some nice pics in it................................ you probably already seen these ?

(just in case you have not )

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Thanks for the pictures several are new to me and will help. The ramp is the next thing to tackle. I really have no idea how it was raised by a Kubelwagen as it just would not have the horsepower or traction to pull it up like the tanks do. I guess there was lots of guys lifting then the cable was secured to 'D' loop on the wagon deck visible in photo 6.

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Basic ramp structure finished. I now trying to figure out how it fits around the buffers or if they were removed which then makes me wonder how wagon was buffered and coupled to the next wagon. At this point I have removed the sprung buffer heads but have left the buffer mounts in position.

IMG_0195 by tankienz , on Flickr

IMG_0196 by tankienz , on Flickr

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Looking good !!

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I discovered I had an unassembled German flatcar stashed away so I've assembled the basic chassis to check out alignment of the raised ramp. Unfortunately the flat wagon deck is quite a bit higher than the tank carriers deck so there is no clearance for the ramp above pusher wagon deck so I will have to find the correct type of wagon to make the pusher wagon.

IMG_0197 by tankienz , on Flickr

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Looking good.
Looks like you have some great ref pics, awesome.

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This is great scratch work. Starting to take shape very nicely.

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Lining up the inner hinges for the ramp one side at a time.

IMG_0200 by tankienz , on Flickr

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Two more pieces in the puzzle arrived today from HLJ

IMG_0201 by tankienz , on Flickr

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Kubelwagen mostly assembled. I must say it is a week kit to build.

IMG_0203 by tankienz , on Flickr

Working ramp hinges also finished.

IMG_0202 by tankienz , on Flickr

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Started on G10 van ex Protection Train with Pkpfw 38t turret on roof. As the inside of the van walls are lined with steel armour across bracing is not apparent on the outside so filed/scrapped off and plank lines rescribbed.

IMG_0204 by tankienz , on Flickr

Turret ready for mounting once sides and roof are erected.

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Body modified to mount turret.

IMG_0208 by tankienz , on Flickr

I've imagineered what will be inside the body. A floor plate on which 37mm and machine gum ammunition ready round racks will be positioned within easy reach of the turret crew.

IMG_0207 by tankienz , on Flickr

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Super nice !
And of course a steel frame to hold up the turret and steel plate ?

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You can never have too much steel between you and the enemy our your backside and a mine.

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Looking really good!!!

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