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2 years 6 months ago - 2 years 6 months ago #91 by Bishop
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I am having a break from the shock covers to tackle the other major adjustments to be made in relation to the radiator fans and the radiator ducts. This, as mentioned, is perhaps the weakest part of these kits. It will good for the Panthers though. The fans now sport 8 blades each and multudes of bits are now being prepped so that the radiator units can be constructed a little more accurately. It’s quite a scratch job which needs the radiator/ fan boxes made up before anything else can be cut up. Super important or things won’t line up with the engine later.

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4 16 blade fans being pulled apart.



New blades being attached 4 per fan at a time. Makes everything so much easier to line up



Done thank goodness. I used MR liquid putty to fill the gaps between the blades and the circular mount piece, and finally it worked a treat for me.



Test fitting



And finally the mount of parts to clean up, glue together and bog up. Not the best moulding and fitting with some of these.


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2 years 6 months ago #92 by Gary
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You're like the evil model genius, that's insane but so well done. Nice work mate as always.



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2 years 6 months ago #93 by grover
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Gary wrote: You're like the evil model genius, that's insane but so well done. Nice work mate as always.


Yup, ** watches from a distance **

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2 years 6 months ago #94 by Bishop
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Today has been one of those days where you only get half way and it was hard work. These cooling units aren’t the best thing Trumpeter has ever engineered, but we’re getting there. The units are now boxed in and looking rough, but this has allowed me to mark on them the openings for various hoses. It has also allowed me to remove the Panther style mounting points (triangular), so that I can make them the correct shape (rectangular). I’ll cut off the details and add them to the new faces when the are complete.

The next thing to tackle will be 8 ducting boxes. The kit parts, bring kind of Panther style are nowhere close to watch they should be. Just needs patience.... groan.

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Right and left sides with the markings for the hoses and fan drive shaft.



With the fan sitting there, tons of filling and painting to do before it’s ready to be attached



Panther style engine compartment side wall fan attachments



And gone ready for completing the rectangular recess



And finally the horrid ducting


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2 years 6 months ago #95 by Bishop
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A bit of bench time today and have gotten further than yesterday. The ducting is a third done. The lower flap is in place in each duct and a cross member is in place for when the upper flap is added. There is lots of cleaning up and detailing to do before that happens though.

The hose attachment points have been salvaged and will be attached to new mounting points for the engine hoses and fan drive shafts when they are complete.

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The idea



With the lower curved flap in place


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2 years 6 months ago #96 by Maarten
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'' I could sense things were about to kick off, so I got out of there !''


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2 years 6 months ago #97 by Fooesboy
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*THIS* is insane!
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2 years 6 months ago - 2 years 6 months ago #98 by Bishop
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Lol, no I am insane!!!

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2 years 6 months ago #99 by Bishop
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A long day of making things and pulling them apart because they are for a Panther. Grrrrr. Never mind, I saved some really interesting connector pieces so that’s okay. These sat on the side of the fan boxes, but wouldn’t fit within the openings with their bolt phalanges in place (the things with the black dots waiting for bolt heads).

The ducts are now finished except for various brackets within and on their exteriors. I’ve test fitted everything and the front ducts have been shortened to fit to the firewall. And I thought the fans would be the hard part... should be done tomorrow. Once the bolt heads are done and the connector pipes are in place for the radiators, I’ll put these aside until I return to this area later in the build. So glad I’m not scratching a third lot.

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No.



And yes. The pipes each side will simply glue onto the blank plastic. The hole is for the fan drive shafts



Sitting in place





Right hand unit for the JagdTiger; yes they’re marked



These do not officially attach to the radiators so will spear to fit loosely while being firmly attached when glued in place.

Sitting in place along the engine bay wall


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2 years 6 months ago #100 by Tiger
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WOW !!!!!!!, you are an insane machine mate.
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2 years 6 months ago #101 by Bishop
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So far today I’ve had a chance to finish the radiators and ducting. The ducts now have the joints added that hold various plates in place. The swing arms for the movable flaps have also been added. The rod and arms that join all these can only be added once the ducting etc is installed and that’s a long way off.

Now I’m working on the shock covers I abandoned a couple of days ago. Next it’s time for the floor conduits and floor cross beams and then the lower hull sides can finally be glued in place.

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Ducts with joints added



And with arms to move the flaps for both Trumpeters





Bolts for the radiators



And for the engine side wall mounts



Onwards

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2 years 6 months ago #102 by Bishop
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And armoured covers almost done, but drying before sanding, filling, more sanding and sme bolt heads.



And floor conduits done. What is annoying is that I discovered after scratching the HL conduit, that the JagdTiger kit comes with the standard long section as well as the elongated section for the JagdTiger hull, so I could have used the spare in the HL. Never mind, I’ll now be checking more closely so I don’t have to double up again, and I can always use the spare for other parts. Now for the cross pieces.

Tigers



And longer JagdTiger


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2 years 6 months ago #103 by Maarten
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MASTER CLASS detailing and scratching

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2 years 6 months ago #104 by Bishop
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This morning I’ve had one of those moments in modelling when the news couldn’t get better. It’s not much actually, but for me it’s removed a world of scratching grief. Not only did Trumpeter provide the spare floor conduit I failed to spot in the JagdTiger kit, but they also provided the standard lengthwise floor bracing along with the elongated pair for the extended hull. That means I have a complete set for the HL Tiger and don’t have to try to cobble together some garbage as I did for the Tiger I. I still have to add all the hull wall details, but not all the difficult details to these thingies running up the isles.

Unlike DML, which are renowned for their parts generosity, Trumpeter is not. This is one case where I’m hugely pleased they have.

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2 years 6 months ago #105 by Bishop
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Terrible photos to illustrate

Behold the two Tiger sets



And compared with the JagdTiger


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2 years 6 months ago #106 by Bishop
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Finally making some progress this afternoon. I’ve attached the HL walls and have created the firewall so that I can fit the braces. The front armour has been thickened and the tunnels for the torsion bars have been simulated. Impossible to make these properly with this toy hull and most of the details are hidden so just the tops of the wall tunnels have been recreated. Having the kit central braces to sell things is so helpful at this point.

Next up I can not make the cross braces and the wall mounts for the ends of the torsion bars to fit into. The torsion bars themselves are lengths of spru from the Trumpeter kits.


Best intentions first. Wall tunnels made from tube and bits of Duplo I’ve been saving. Then I realised that the molded parts protrude past the walls so I cut the bottoms from each tunnel and fitted them over the molded parts. Perfect from the top. I’ll need to insert the central braces and the torsion bars all at the same time so it will be messy, but nothing I can’t handle after the assembly process required for the Pz iv.








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2 years 6 months ago #107 by Bishop
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The added armour thickness for the lower hull front



The extra triangle of armour that supports the 150mm front glacis plate. I need to make this for the HL walls



And thank goodness again for these braces, one seen here passing through the firewall




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2 years 5 months ago #108 by Bishop
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An evening of success with some cutting and pasting involved. The cross bracing is in and the length bracing now lines up with the torsion bars. The position is right off in the HL hull so you have to cut and paste things like the lubrication tubes further back towards the firewall. You also have to cut new slots for the longitudinal braces so everything lines up.

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Everything lining up and the cross braces in the Trumpeter Tiger. I have installed these as I’ve copied them for the HL Tiger so I don’t get the mixed up later.











I’m now working on the torsion bars



And adjusted to fit the new configuration


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2 years 5 months ago #109 by Nosferatu
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Outstanding as always Mate! Have ever considered doing a wee video tutorial on basic scratchbuilding? I for one would be fascinated by how you go about your work!

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2 years 5 months ago #110 by Bishop
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Nah, this stuff is all smoke, mirrors, string and snot. I leave videos to the real modellers. It’s just lots of fun that’s all.

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2 years 5 months ago #111 by Nosferatu
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:P Well its pretty good lookin string and snot mate!! Keep it up!

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2 years 5 months ago #112 by Bishop
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I could perhaps make a video of reversing the holes in the firewall. :whistle: :lol: :lol: Thankfully an easy fix. Just turn it over.

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2 years 5 months ago #113 by Bishop
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Final shots for today. The remaining braces for the forward area of the torsion bars. The forward bar and right hand steering brake linkage runs through this sitting as it does below the transmission. With one of the JagdTiger kit parts.

Next 5 replacement torsion bars the same thickness as the others. These all need to fit through two lots of tubes and the torsion bars John West rejected just wouldn’t. I bought a ton of plastic today, but bought the wrong size to fit around the tube shown here. Tomorrow. This hold up has allowed me to start detailing the firewall. IT IS SO MUCH EASIER NOT HAVING TO CONVERT EVERYTHING FROM 1:35!!!! This would all just be too hard otherwise.



Firewall



Tomorrow the torsion bars will hopefully go in.

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2 years 5 months ago #114 by Bishop
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So much for bed. Triangular armoured mounts for the upper glacis plate have made. The back of each has to have the excess removed.


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2 years 5 months ago #115 by Bishop
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Ready to install. And in position after some robust modelling. Nothing glued here yet nothing finalised, but all in placeish. There is one more to add once I have the rest sorted, it sits forward of the struts giving space for the radio operator’s floor hatch. I’m sure this really only for passing messages to the RO from soldiers under the tank, or for letting the cat out at night.

The torsion bars have been constructed in part so that I can fit them all in. The front and middle (running through the whole set of tubes), and the rear section left loose so I can mate each bar to the wall once the other end is attached to the opposite wall. On the Trumpeters the torsion bars are constructed as per the real thing. So much easier than this.





Let the swearing begin



And waiting for gluing in place when correctly positioned



Now off for a Bex and a lay down

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2 years 5 months ago #116 by grover
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Thats Some work Bish. You deserve a lay down lol

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2 years 5 months ago #117 by Bishop
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Final bits coming together before the forward torsion bar is installed. This arm is the linkage to the right steering brake. It’s a hefty piece actually. The white copy shows this better than the kit part.



These other shots show the torsion bars in place and the lengthway braces cut down so that I can save unused sections in the engine bay. You’ll see these in all their glory in the Trumpeters.




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2 years 5 months ago #118 by Maarten
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'' I could sense things were about to kick off, so I got out of there !''


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2 years 5 months ago #119 by Bishop
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Following the notion that the three builds stay roughly together I rapidly brought the Trumpeters up to the HL Tiger, adding forward details to the HL crew floor to match the others. I’ll finish adding the steering rod to the Trumpeters, and then start detailed work on the three firewalls. The JagdTiger firewall has a different layout so there is not just the scratch work for the HL wall, but some for the JagdTiger too. Once all the basic details are in place for the three hulls it will actually be time to start painting. I’m going to need to get hold of some of that new ivory paint from HK?? Is it.

Who puts out that new paint being discussed here at the end of last year??

Anyway. Photos none of the JagdTiger, but you get the idea






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2 years 5 months ago #120 by Maarten
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Looks real GOOD !

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