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Trumpeter 1:16 Tiger II two in one (sort of) 7 months 3 weeks ago #61

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They are lovely kits, enjoy!!
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Trumpeter 1:16 Tiger II two in one (sort of) 6 months 2 weeks ago #62

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I've edited the topic title to make it a little more accurate. The room has space in it and I need to wait for the bins to be emptied so that I can throw more garbage away so the boxes are all open and I have no idea where to start. I almost think I'll start with the turrets and JagdTiger gun mount just for something different. For the coming months I'll just be building interior parts, particularly for the Heng Long hull, and heavily modifying the Trumpeter parts. This has all been done so well by others so I'll be covering very well documented paths thankfully. I can't believe that I get the chance to build all these.

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So, the first hurdle. The jolly prototype I was wanting to build (V2), has rejected early drive sprockets and tracks with lots of teeth, which were ultimately reintroduced on the final Tigers in an updated form. This means I have the wrong sprockets and tracks for such a build and no one makes them in 1:16. So it looks like one of these is going to end up with zimmerit and become one of the Normandy examples with the incredible camouflage. Should have guessed things wouldn't have been so easy. Anyway, this will mean some zimmerit work as per the late Tiger i so a bit of extra time. I might actually begin with that rather than the turrets as it's an easy (boring), way to start and I don't have to keep cleaning the room to make it happen :whistle:

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Trumpeter 1:16 Tiger II two in one (sort of) 6 months 2 weeks ago #64

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Watching.......... :)
I quite enjoyed attempting the Normandy camo, I don't think I got the lines tight enough on mine but I enjoyed trying something different.
Really want to see what you do with this beast, it'll be huge.
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Trumpeter 1:16 Tiger II two in one (sort of) 6 months 2 weeks ago #65

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They all are. It's a ridiculous build really, three at once. Only one now needs zimmerit so I shouldn't be complaining heehee. The upper hull for the JagdTiger is enormous

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Trumpeter 1:16 Tiger II two in one (sort of) 6 months 1 week ago #66

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Have been plugging away at cleaning and giving the prototype Tiger some plastic coating to melt zimmerit into. Same method as the Tiger I, old school. As this is going to be a Normandy Tiger it won’t have spare tracks on the turret so I’ve opened up the holes to fill them with putty. It could make it into ”Annelise” with the winter camouflage so I shall keep all options open.

Now the boredom of making zimmerit.

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The Tiger ii family build 1:16 6 months 1 week ago #67

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About time !;)
P.S. Looking good.

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Finally the boring stuff is done (apart from the room cleaning), and the zimmerit is finished. This now means I can head inside and prepare the three hulls. The first thing to do then is make up the floor supports that run down the length of the hull for the HL Tiger. The Trumpeter ones are already in the kits. This is the first time I won’t need to scale things up and down to scratch them. They already exist in 1:16. Lots of counterfeiting ahead.

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The only bad news so far is that I can’t use the HL metal barrel as it is too thin at the turret end and too thick at the business end. It is a toy one after all. So lots of filling and sorting for the two halves of the kit one. At least I have the kit one. This kit actually has the two complete turrets with necessary parts rather than two shells with shared parts. Only the basket and gun components are shared and I got a second set of these when buying Pz iv bits.

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The Tiger ii family build 1:16 6 months 4 days ago #69

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Nice stuff Bish. That's a lot of Zimmerit.
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Sure is. Thankfully made a lot easier with the solder/ wood burning iron and a paperclip.

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The Tiger ii family build 1:16 6 months 1 day ago #71

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Making two sets of road wheels. Theraputic, but nothing exciting. Once the two Trumpeter sets are done then all three builds will be up to the same point and I'll be ready to start on the hull interiors. Trumpeter seems to have done a nice job on the road wheels so that's a start.

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Progressing nicely Bishop and great work on the Zimmerit :woohoo:
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Trumpeter 1:16 Tiger II two in one (sort of) 5 months 3 weeks ago #73

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Work is making bench time a little difficult at present, but things are proceeding. Still just wheels, two barrels have been sorted too. The Tiger road wheels are finished and the JagdTiger ones are half done. Easy, but boring. At least there are lots of good threads to catch up on. Lots of great work from everyone.

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The Tiger ii family build 1:16 5 months 3 weeks ago #74

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The 40 % Barium sulfate ,25 % polyvinyl acetate,15 % pigment ,10 % Zinc sulfide and 10 % sawdust looks real nice
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Finally back to the bench because of a bit of a bug. I’ve brought the three lower hulls up to the starting line, adding the floor to the HL hull and the items for the T hulls that already exist for the HL Tiger. All the wheels are made, but need lots of finishing to make them ready. All the sink and other holes/ marks have been filled and the four bump stops for the HL hull are under construction. The 8 for the T hulls just need to be cleaned up. I’ve also fitted the second attempt at an interior for the HL hull MG and have adjusted the MG by removing the wooden stock. The MG come from the T JagdTiger kit as it proves the two MGs as per the Tiger ii kit, but only requires one. It also comes with the rear deck MG 42. I’ll doctor up one of the metal 34s I originally bought for the Pz iv, but didn’t use. Next up the internal scratch work begins. Without David Parker’s book I’d be stuffed.

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Hulls ready





MG gear. The white insert was the first attempt that was too small



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Next photos of the bump stops and the four scratched ones underway, and the MG sorted





More on the MG







And first paint in the triple build

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Crazy time with work so the bump stops are almost done then I’ll start the hull interior walls. On the Trumpeters these are separate items, which make scratch building work easier and the same will go for the HL. This has inner wall thickness missing so I’ll be able to scratch everything and add it to the “wall” sections to be inserted. Hopefully tomorrow I’ll get some stuff done.

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Not much happening here yet, but slowly plugging along. I’ve finished roughing out the false walls for the HL hull interior and so can begin to detail the 6 walls. It is tempting to glue these all in place, especially the scratched ones, but it will be much easier to work on the details to be added/ removed and re-added with everything out of the hulls.

Trumpeter has done a great job on much of the kit detailing, but have cut a number of corners along the way. The forward lubrication pipes are okay, but need replacement and the spare vision block holders are too large and need replacement and the power box cables suck and need replacement with a mounting plate behind the box.

Not too hard, but it all takes time. At least I can make six of everything and all will be well. Onwards.

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The walls scratched and kit. Note the extra armour triangle will be added to the HL walls later.





Compared with the length of the JagdTiger wall



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Progress. I’ve constructed the HL drive brakes, though they are looking rudimentary at present, and have removed the first lot of items from the Trumpeter hull walls. Two wall dials I’ll keep and remount properly and the rest I’ll now scratch for all three vehicles, the spare periscope lens holders no less. There are twelve to make all up, with lenses to go with them, they’re not too hard to make. Unlike the HL drive brakes they are a lot more visible so will need to look the part. I’m following a strict order with all this as I need to have the hull walls done before I fix them in place and before the floor support braces are added/ scratched. This will also mean that the rear firewall will need to be scratched for the HL too.

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Drive brakes in progress compared to the kit parts. Lots to do yet







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And the bits removed and the holes they’ve left. Lots to fill





The saved dial thingies



And the lubricant tubes x 6 to be (re)created.



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I should add that I’ve sorted out the mounts for the drive sprockets via means of two cotton reel final drives



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A small update. The spare periscope lens holders are complete and junction boxes are almost so. The two steering brakes for the HL Tiger just need bolt details and can then go in place. The Trumpeter walls have had the slots for the rear idler arms opened up so that the arms can be adjusted to get the best track tension.

I’ve also removed the turret ring from the hull roof, a Trumpeter design feature to give something to mount the turret on, but not so in real life. I’ll have to replicate it for the second turret. The HL Tiger didn’t come with a turret ring. No photos of this yet, but shots of the other items.







Holders compared to the old ones. New vision blocks are on order to fill these



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Before filing and after filing



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It’s been a big day in the build as I’ve relocated Sam Dwyer’s JagdTiger build which takes up the “what you can see”, aspects of David Parker’s Tiger ii makeover, but leaves as is the hidden stuff. He also models the important differences between the Tiger and JagdTiger, all of which I needed to know before I went further. I’ve starter to add the already sorted items and only need to make up the shock absorbers and scratch a pair for the HL Tiger and I should then be able to glue the hull walls into all three vehicles.

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The first shows the HL walls. Details will only extend back to the firewall as I’m not building the engine bay. No way to open the engine hatch without lots of grief and there will be two other engines so no worries.



Next some comparison shots of the different layouts of the Tiger and JagdTiger. These mainly concern the spare vision block holders and the missing junction box. The batteries for the radios are no longer stored behind the radio operator, but behind the right hand armour corner triangle you can see to the operator’s right. The frontal armour plate rests on this. The second armoured triangle you see on the JagdTiger hull side is where the armoured block holding the gun mantlet rests on the hull. Massive amounts of reinforcement was added to strengthen the forward facing armour plates.





And here’s a shot trying and failing to show just how big these jolly things are.



I finally feel like I’m just starting to get into these. A long way to go.
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Going off an a necessary tangent, rather than makes shocks, I’ve decided to map out the production gun cradle for the JagdTiger. The Trumpeter one is a nice rendition of the preproduction version so is not really accurate. This is looking very rough at present and needs more detail and lots of cleaning up, but it’s nutted out and I’m greatly relieved. Others have completely rebuilt the forward section, but I’ve cannibalised what I could. Back to the shocks now while this all cures for a day or so.

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And the pieces I can now use for other things

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Have you got the King Tiger visual modelers guide from Ammo by Mig Jimenez it's a nice book the photos in are very clear.

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No, I had not heard of it. I have David Parker’s book though, which is also excellent.

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I’ve been working on the gun cradle as everything was nice and dry and have almost finished the details. Just some bolts and cross member edges to add. I’ve also constructed the shocks and have made a great discovery I should have remembered, the rear right shock is smaller on the JagdTiger. This has left me with a stand shock spare. I’ve only had to create one (almost complete), shock and two mounting arms. I’ve then realised that I could use these on the rear left shock spots for the two Trumpeter builds as these are both completely hidden under the radiators, but are still needed for mounting the torsion bars.

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Shocks. The biggest shock being the jolly seams





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More progress. The gun cradle is done and can now wait for the right moment in the JagdTiger build. The shocks are also done and the radio operator’s shield is being made for the forward right hand shocks in each tank. Next I’ll work on the other difficult part of the Trumpeter builds, the adjusting of the fans to give them 8 blades rather than the older Panther 16 bland ones supplied, and to change the radiator fan unit mounting points from the Panther style ones to those of the Tiger. At least when Trumpeter releases the upcoming Panthers this area will already be correct.

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Everything is too large for good photos sorry.

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And the Trumpeter progress. It is interesting to note that the longer JagdTiger hull required a smaller right hand shock set reverse direction to the Tiger, and the standard left hand rear shock reversed as well.

The two rear left shocks with scratched components. I haven’t finished these as they will be invisible.





Note the different directions, top is Tiger

And the JagdTiger with the second vision block holder now in place under the shock.



And the beginnings of the three shields.

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