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Kiwi Diorama 'The Malayan Emergency' 6 years 6 months ago #1

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Thought I may as well bite off more than i can chew in a kiwi diorama of the Malayan Emergency (1948~1960)
Yes i should start small, but, nah...

Some history for those who dont know...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency

The intention of the 1/35 diorama is to depict a scene of 1st Battalion NZ Regiment at their HQ in Borneo.
My main reference is from the book 'Kiwi Armour 5 - Peace keeping armour of NZ' by Jeffery Plowman & Malcolm Thomas.

The vehicles i intend to build include the following:
- Mk I Ferret Scout Car, Accurate Armour.
- Mk II Ferret Scout Car, Accurate Armour or Aussie Armour.
- Mk II Dingo Scout Car, Miniart
- RL Bedford Truck, Accurate Armour
- Series I Land Rover 88, kit bashed Tamiya Pink Panther & Italeri Series III 109.
- Bedford QL Truck, ...from IBG Models when it is released any time now... :)

When the Ferrets entered service the Dingo's slowly moved to the Infantry units, and same with the introduction of the RL Bedfords, this saw the QL's move over... both old and new scout cars & trucks worked side by side no doubt for a while...

The Accurate Armour goodies.


The soon to be SI landrover.


The QL :)
perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/ibg.html

So far i have a good group of figures from Miniart, Bronco, DML, Masterbox etc but no doubt will find more out there when i get to them...

REQUEST: If anyone has any good images they could post of Kiwi's & their vehicles during the Malayan Emergency please post here, or let me know. :)

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Will be watching this one :)

Always intended to do something like this myself as my dad served during the Malaya Emergency, Including with 1 Btn NZ Regt, (57/58) That's him in my avatar leaning on his No. 5 jungle carbine.


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Thats great, i will need a critic that could probably help on this, as information on what equipment was used is a bit of a guess for me.
As this time there was many change overs from old WW2 equipment to ~Vietnam era equipment, which may actually give me some nice freedom :)

There is one picture that also has a Saladin Armoured Car the kiwi's used for fire support, though it was operated by the British.

I will post up a sketch of an idea in what i want early so i can see how different it will probably be at the end :p
cheers Grant

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Hey Grant,

looks like a big one's coming. I'll tag along in the cheap seats!

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Well this is my third attempt to post a response over the last three days. I'll keep it short as each time I click submit after typing in a lengthy response I get 'Your session has expired'. In 1993 I co-authored an article Armour in the Emergency that was publised in Tank TV newsletter published in Wellington. It contains five pictures of 1 Bn NZ Rgt armoured vehicles. Have you seen it?

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grunzter wrote: There is one picture that also has a Saladin Armoured Car the kiwi's used for fire support, though it was operated by the British.


Grant,

If my memory is correct, if you need a Kiwi link, at least one British Cavalry troop of Saladins and Saracens was commanded by the then Lt Mawson RNZAC, later Chief of the General Staff of NZ Army

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dcrfan wrote: ... In 1993 I co-authored an article Armour in the Emergency that was publised in Tank TV newsletter published in Wellington. It contains five pictures of 1 Bn NZ Rgt armoured vehicles. Have you seen it?
Paul


Thanks Paul,
No i have not read this article, but would love to. :)
(I have heard of that newsletter but never seen it)

Do you have a copy, you could post or email?

Also thanks for the link to the Saladin's and Saracen's... may need to get one of these to add some flavour!
many thanks Grant

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Here is the text of the article:

Armour in Emergency
AFVs in Malayan Insurgency 1948-60
By Paul Napier and Peter Cooke

Britain went to war in Malaya quite unprepared to protect infantry in battle. Their widespread use of APCs in WWII was limited to turretless tanks and US half tracks. Wheel APCs hadn’t been added to the inventory despite the good scout and armoured cars available. The Malayan campaign, in the first few weeks, proved to be a crash course for the British to provide mobile protection for the infantry appropriate to the conditions in which they were called to fight. And it was a lesson others were quick to pick up.
Within months of the State of Emergency being declared in the British colony of Malaya (now Malaysia) on 17 June 1948, a special constabulary was established to protect mines and estates that had been under attack from communist insurgents. The regular police force was expanded and relieved from guard duties, the army went on the offensive. But equipped originally only with soft-skinned truck, the police and army carrying British forces to and from the jungle patrols became easy targets. The Malay Races Liberation Army began ambushing these vehicle columns.
The question arose whether or not to armour patrol and troop carrying vehicles. The police with experience on Palestine, however expected ambushes to be in the same manner as in the desert – from a distance and where police could debus and use their vehicles for cover. They didn’t expect thick jungle a few feet from the road would give the insurgents (called CTs for Communist Terrorists) close-in cover. So the use of armour came into vogue. “One [Police} officer devised highly ingenious portable armour for his men’s trucks. Steel plates cannibalised from Japanese tanks were slotted into position on the sides of each vehicle hanging from bolts. As soon as word came the Grey [the Palestine veteran who did not favour armour] was visiting the area, the plates were taken off and hidden.”1
Mounting causalities in unarmoured police trucks led to resolutions in Malaya’s Legislative council in 1949 the “All security vehicles should be armoured. It should have been done long ago.”2
When he came to Malaya in command of the Army, General Sir Gerald Templer supported a Police request for 120 armoured cars, 250 scout cars and 600 armed personnel carriers. Two thousand vehicles were estimated it was needed to fight the insurgency effectively, as well as ‘large numbers of tommy guns and 12 bore shotguns for jungle work.’2
Many planters and other civilians had decided to armour their vehicles, possibly after a successful ambush on British High Commissioner Sir Henry Gurney in October 1951 despite an armoured escort.
Vehicles
Troop Carrying Vehicles, 3-tonners in service included Bedford OY, RL and QL, Fordson WOT6 and Ford General Service (GS). Smaller trucks included Ford F15 and Dodge Weapon Carriers. To enhance ambush preparedness of GS trucks, their canopies, frames and tailboards were removed (though often the overhead canvas was retained to stop grenades landing in the back). This helped the troops see all around, fire their weapons, throw grenades and debuss in the event of an ambush. The 2-inch mortar was also recommended for use from such vehicles. A 3-tonner was restricted to 14-15 men with a nominated vehicle commander travelling on the back to control the fire of the men under his command. Four men with automatic weapons and grenades were to be posted at each corner of the vehicle as lookout sentries and to cover debussing in an ambush.
Improvised armoured vehicles, on Jeeps, 4x4 and passenger sedans some American tin miners pioneered the idea of using armour from derelict Japanese tanks left from the previous war only a few years previously. The idea of forming a private security force for a rubber plantation in Johore was discussed. This included Canadian Dodge weapons carriers fitted with ¾ inch plates and teak wood lining. “Many managers only had a Jeep with the front part armoured. The manger might drive with one Special Constable beside him. As a good-hearted man he would hesitate to put two more Special Constables in the unarmoured back seats. A proper car is a large saloon car with armour all over it.”7
A ‘proper’ armoured saloon was described in 1953. “I noticed the planters car parked outside the garage and I saw in the dim light that it had a crane attachment on the roof supporting a steel plate which hung forward over the windscreen. I asked him about this and he said he would show me the car. He drove it forward into the light and I saw the crane was about two feet high, with a three foot length of chain on it, was bolted on the roof, which was reinforced for the purpose. It supported the metal plate which protected the upper half of the windscreen. The glass windows at each side and in the back had been removed and steel plates fitted in their place which moved up and down in the same way as the glass windows had. The engine was protected by steel plates in the front and at each side. There were fittings on the dash board and underneath it to take the planter shotgun and his wife’s rifle.”8
Armoured Bastards, Ford 3 ton 4x4 GS CMPs were armoured in ‘large numbers’ (at least 37) by No 7 Command and other REME Workshops in Malaya. Early models had 13mm plate added in front of the cab with two holes for the headlights. The cab roof was not armoured and steel flaps replaced the windscreens and doors. The rear body was armoured inside the original sides, open topped and access was via a tail gate hinged at the top. Later models produced around 1951 were more thoroughly thought out, possible by REME in Singapore. The cab armour was added to a stripped down chassis and resembled a No 13 CMP cab. The rear compartment was a new structure with closed top and with at least nine firing ports and better rear doors. They served at least with 1st Gordon Highlanders, 1st Royal Hampshire Regt and 1 Bn Queens Regt. Ford F15A cwt trucks were also given sheets of armour to protect their vital parts. 10
Bedford RL were armoured by the REME Base Workshop, Singapore in 1954 and known by soldiers as the ‘Pig’ in view of it generally ugly appearance. Kev Spicer in Tankette magazine 28/3 stated a prototype was built under civilian contract in Britain. Officially called ‘Armoured troop/load carriers 3 ton’ these vehicles were “issued on a scale of 6 per British/Gurkha infantry battalions and 5 to other including the 1st Bn NZ Regt and replaced the improvised APCs mostly. They are fully armoured and are capable of carrying ten equipped men or a maximum of 30 cwt of stores and weapons including the Bren LMG and GF rifle which can easily be fired through the ports. In view of the weight care must be taken using estate roads and bridges.” 3 One is preserved in the threatened Budge collection in Britain.
Land Rover ¾ ton armour added to the rear body, open top and inside the windscreen. Used by the Malayan Police. SWB ½ ton Land Rovers were also armoured.
GMC 15 cwt APC used by British and Malayan Police Field Force painted dark blue. Described as semi-armoured with MG on pedestal. The armour at the rear was raised locally.
Saracen APC was rushed into service for use in Malaya in 1952. It’s sibling, the Saladin armoured car, had originally been given development priority.
Ferret Scout Car. Daimler Ferrets were issued as convoy escorts and as company and battalion CO’s vehicles. On ‘black’ roads they were posted centrally in the patrol to be able to move into the ambush area. In larger convoys one was placed at the rear of blocks of 5-6 vehicles so the it could drive into the ambush firing forward as it does so.. The Scout Cars were fitted with No 15 wireless sets but WS No 88 were also used for communication with other convoy vehicles. For convoy work a raised superstructure was added between the hull and turret of the Mk 2 Ferret. This is so the Crew Commander could observe and fire over other vehicles. In the convoy, but it also raised the vehicles already highish centre of gravity. A 1986 upgrade of the Ferret offered by GKN was named after the Malay word for Tiger, Harimau.
Daimler Armoured Car was used by Armoured Reconnaissance units.
Daimler Dingo Scout Car, some fitted with overhead armour and some also with turrets of varying styles mounted on a new roof, all done in Singapore’s REME Base Workshops. Some had a locally made dustbin turret on the right hand side of the roof. These remained in service with the Malayan Police into the 1960’s. Other sported roof armour with a Ferret turret made as a conversion kit. New Zealand sold its surplus Daimler Scout Cars to Britain for use in Malaya. In service with 1st Bn NZ Regt Dingos were named after NZ Army bases including ‘Papakura’ and Linton’ while another was ‘Rangitira’. One such or similar vehicles was described escorting a C Sqn 13/18th Royal Hussars convoy as having a turret with twin Bren guns with drum magazines. The guns could be rotated, elevated and fired from below armour plate. Examples are preserved in the Kuala Lumpur National Army Museum and the Budge collection in Britain.
Ford Lynx Scout Car with a local turret. This was a Canadian copy of the Daimler were also used in Malaya. 247 were later sold to Vietnam.
Humber Scout Car was used by the SAS, one named Sabaluth. Other users were 1st Gordon Highlanders and 1st Bn NZ Regt. Sabaluth was armed with a Bren LMG with a 50 round drum magazine and a searchlight calibrated to 300 yards. Improvised fixed mounts for the LMG were recommended provided they could be taken off quickly. “The Bren LMG on its bipod perched on the top of the cab is in a very insecure position and the gunner is very liable to be jolted off his feet should the vehicle swerve suddenly or the driver brake unexpectedly.”3
Humbers with high sided octagonal MG turrets possibly ex-Malaya were later in service in Vietnam. “There are various patterns of Scout Cars”, Brigadier Hennelder of the 63rd Gurkha Infantry Brigade wrote ”but this particular one is a Humber with engine at the back … in the turret is a Bren gun. If he [the commander] sits his head is below armour. In this position his view is restricted to what he can see through two narrow slits in the armour plate. By releasing a securing bolt the commander can make the turret revolve. His seat revolves too.”7
India Pattern Wheeled Carriers both Mk II and the altered MkIV were in service in Burma and Singapore in 1946 so probably also served in the early period of the Emergency in Malaya.
Loudmouth, described as an improvised loud hailer in a semi-armoured truck which towed a power unit in a trailer was built late in 1952. Similar ‘Hearts & Minds’ equipment, four huge speakers were slung beneath a Valetta of the Far East Air Force. A technique also later adopted in Rhodesia as ‘Skyshouts’. Loudmouth is known to have been included in a C Sqn 13/18th Royal Hussars escorted convoy.
Wickham Armoured Rail Wagon 12 1948 model Mk1 twin axle chassis made by D Wickham Ltd were supplied to Malayan Railways in 1950 where they were armoured by British engineers. The hulls seem to have differed, some with drivers on the left. A subsequent model was designed by Wickham and 41 units complete with armoured hull and Ferret MG turret, we shipped to Malayafrom March 1953. They were adorned AW (for Armoured Wickham) and numbered up to at least 60. These stayed in service later with the Malayan Police. Both models were sold to South Vietnam in 1962 where six years later a Type 48 was seen sporting an MG turret in place of the octagonal cupola. The Wickham was very hot inside when operating closed down. Civilian trollies were sometimes preferred to overcome this problem and because they could be prepared ia an much shorter time. The Wickham’s used a Perkins 66 hp diesel P6 giving a speed of 100 kph in either direction. There was adriver at each end. A spotlight was coupled mechanically to the 7.62mm MG. Armoured sliding hatches each side of the turret and two side doors low on each side gave egress to the crew of 4-5 personnel.
Armoured Trains. ‘Sakai Express’, a 25 foot wagon armoured with welded steel plate was used to patrol solitary rail lines. It had a searchlight at each end. Such armoured wagons were much used. “It was great fun to travel in the armoured train from one point to another on the East coast Railway line running north from Gemas … you could pull the string that works the whistle, open the steam regulator that controls the speed, throw lumps of coal at monkeys on the trees at the side of the railway or even cause the soldiery in the steel plated wagons to fire a broadside into the jungle … The signal went down, the train whistled, and the guard-not the railway guard but the military one-sitting in an armoured wagon checked their rifles and Bren ready for any emergency on the line.” 7
The urgent need to patrol the long distances of the rail lines also lead to other solutions; slab sided armoured Jeeps and armoured cars converted to run on rails [the Daimler Mk3 Armoured Car had been tried in Palestine], as well as armoured cars secured to flat bed wagons running in front of and behind the train. Railways also built armoured pill boxes on flatbed wagons for observation and small arms fire whilst locomotive cabs were armour plated.
Comet Tanks were used in 1951 after a full-size firing range was established in Garun in North Malaya for 3 RTR then based in Hong Kong. The 77mm gunners needed open range AP firing experience and shooting up to 3.000 yards was possible. The training base happened to be in an area where the CT was active and was attacked at least once. In July 1951 the tankies had a chance to fight back when comets of 6 Troop carrying a platoon of infantry on their engine decks, co-ordinated with artillery and airborne spotters made a successful attack on a nearby CT base. Firing HE and Besa the tanks advanced on the base, debussed their passengers then moved to the flank of the target. “One tank actually blundered straight into the camp ahead of the infantry to capture a large quantity of supplies.” 5. The range was disestablished in February 1952 having proved that modern (large) tanks could fight in jungle conditions.
Bren Carriers were used in the Far East Training Centre, Johore.

British Recce Units Rotated Throught Malaya
1st Kings Dragoon Guards
Jan 56-Aug 58. Served in the south replacing 11th. Strong assault Tp element with 2 Armoured Car Regiments equipped with Ferret and Daimler ACs.
4th Queens Own Hussars
Aug 48-Sep 51. Served in the north. Used trucks with added plate used initially. AFVs later in tour leaving with full issue.
11th Hussars (Prince Alberts Own)
July (?) 53-Jun 56. Replaced 13/18th.
12th Royal Lancers (Price of Wales)
Sep 51-Aug 54. Replaced 4th in north.
13/18th Royal Hussars (Queen Marys Own)
May 50-Jul(?)53 and Aug 58-1960+. Convoy escorts in C Sqn had names of racehorses, those of Green Howards named after regimental battle honours. One Daimler called Black Prince.
15/19th Kings Royal Hussars
Aug 54-Jun 57. Replace 12th.

RAF Regiment (Malaya)
Formed 1947 with Malay nationals and British Officers/NCOs to defend airfields. Six rifles sqns which used Humber Scout Car and possibly Otter Light Recce vehicle.

Armoured Car Sqn, Federal Malay Regiment
Formed in 1952(?) increased to regimental size 1957. Use armoured Land Rovers and Dingo Scout Cars at least.

REFERENCES:
1. Menace in Malaya, Harry Miller
2. War of the Running Dogs, Noel Barber, 1971
3. The Conduct of Anti-Terrorist Operations in Malaya, British Army publication, 1958
4. Les Trains Blindees 1826-1989, Paul Malmassari, 1989
5. The Tanks, history of the royal Tank Regiment 1945-75, Kenneth Mackesy, 1979
6. ‘Turreted Daimler Dingos’ by Peter Brown in Armoured Car No 13, 1992 Also AC14 Tankette 27/5
7. Red Shadow Over Malaya, Brig HCA Henniker, 1955
8. Jungle Green, Arthur Chapman, MC, 1953
9. National Geographic, Feb 1953
10. Battle, Aug 1977, Tankette 19/6 Tankette 28/3
Thanks to Mt MV Morgan, Mark Salisbury, Malcolm Thomas, Photographs from War History Collection, Alexander Turnbull Library.

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And a picture of an Armoured RL I probably made over 30 years ago based on the Italeri Bedford QL Portee chassis. Unfortunately a few bits have been knocked off in the intervening years.



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I will see Mum on the weekend. I'll see if she can dig out Dad's photos from Malaya and see if there is anything in there that can help.

The gear question is an interesting one as they were using a combination of 1944 webbing (not complete sets as Dad said it was to hot and sticky) and some unique NZ patten clothing along with some contemporary Brit stuff (I'm talking 57 to 59 here).

Interesting fact: Up until a year or two ago the Malay Emergency was the last time the NZ Army had the simple shotgun in its armoury. It has only just been reintroduced after 50 odd years. My dad loved the shotgun "You pulled the trigger and the other guy ducked sharpish".

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Thanks Paul,
That information is a fantastic help, and i'm glad you mention even down to which wireless sets used!
...I need a few more reads to actually digest it all. :)

Also great RL 'Pig', looks like the real deal, and its 30 years old!

@ Sean, many thanks for the feedback on kit....
Glad this thread is stirring some interest! :woohoo:
Thanks again Grant

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A few more goodies arrived today for it, and some others for a rainy day ...

I managed to find a book in the local library on the 1st Battalion The NZ Regiment (1957-59).
Though it does not have many photo's, it has some good stories from the members who served during the emergency which may help in the 'Story' of the diorama.

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Another message that hasn't appeared so I'll try again. More 30 year only models missing parts



I can't recall what pictures are in Jeffereys book so here are a few 1 NZ Regt vehicle pictures. Sorry I only have photo copies:





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weird, i had the same trouble as you, time expired and all my text lost! never happened before?

A PIG would be a good addition, so i will copy my RL chassis before that kits gets made.
This website has some good detailed photos for reference.
www.warwheels.net/BedfordrlPIG_Elliott.html

Your models are great, it is good to know that there has been some interest in this conflict, as it is not widely modelled, if at all... :)

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It might be that your browser is timing out due to the nature of the post, if you take a long time from the point where you click Reply to the point where you hit submit your browser can time out. This isn't a fault with the site but your browser, there are occasionally random time out's but these are rare, I personally don't experience any issues with the software of this site but others swear they do, which is really hard to diagnose.
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grunzter wrote: weird, i had the same trouble as you, time expired and all my text lost! never happened before?

A PIG would be a good addition, so i will copy my RL chassis before that kits gets made.
This website has some good detailed photos for reference.
www.warwheels.net/BedfordrlPIG_Elliott.html

Your models are great, it is good to know that there has been some interest in this conflict, as it is not widely modelled, if at all... :)


THanks. I like the small conflicts. My current modelling conflict is the Rhodesian bush war of the 1980s.

I have scale plans of the Armoured RL and a magazine article on Dingo superstructure/turret modifications. The Pig website is great. Thanks I was not aware of it.

I sent you a message on the weekend via the 'contact' tab. Did you get it? If not I hope it's in your inbox on the login page.

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Hi Gary, I will check my browser settings, thanks.

Hi Paul, no message. :(
I would love the RL plans, this would be a good addition to the diorama! :), as well as any info on the Dingo mods.
In Jeff's book he has some good info on the armour top that was fitted, and I have manged to find some other reference stuff on the www, but the more the better!

Are you building any Roll-over protected land rovers for your Rhodesian war?
If so i can forward you some good pictures of a restored UK mine protected LR, that may be some help...
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The story:

All vehicles at company HQ.
A re-supply convoy is about to set off consisting of: Dingo lead scout car, Series 1 (SWB) Land rover, Bedford RL Pig, Bedford QL general service and a Ferret Mk1 scout car.
Figures for above will consist of a group discussing the route plan, driver and troops about to embark on the RL Pig, driver & stowage in the QL, and a group in and on the Ferret ready to follow on.

Also the following vehicles which are not part of the convoy will include a Bedford RL with Mk2 Ferret on the back getting ready to head off to the LAD workshops for servicing.
Figures here will be securing the Ferret and workshop activities…
There may also be a Saladin Armoured Car (used for fire support when required), dug in with camouflage net overtop. This may have a figure resting nearby…

…it’s a start, and maybe a bit busy...
Base size: 600mm x 400mm

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That's going to be a fairly big Dio, will be watching this with interest :)

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Kiwi Diorama 'The Malayan Emergency' 6 years 6 months ago #20

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Will be one to keep my eye on!!!

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grunzter wrote: The story:

All vehicles at company HQ.
A re-supply convoy is about to set off consisting of: Dingo lead scout car, Series 1 (SWB) Land rover, Bedford RL Pig, Bedford QL general service and a Ferret Mk1 scout car.
Figures for above will consist of a group discussing the route plan, driver and troops about to embark on the RL Pig, driver & stowage in the QL, and a group in and on the Ferret ready to follow on.

Also the following vehicles which are not part of the convoy will include a Bedford RL with Mk2 Ferret on the back getting ready to head off to the LAD workshops for servicing.
Figures here will be securing the Ferret and workshop activities…
There may also be a Saladin Armoured Car (used for fire support when required), dug in with camouflage net overtop. This may have a figure resting nearby…


Sound great but for the sake of accuracy a Ferret Mk 2 (4.3 tons) is too heavy to be carried on an RL (3 ton payload). A Dingo might just be carried although that is only the weight of the WW2 open top configuration.

Are you sure Mk 1 Ferret was used in Malaya as I've never seen any evidence of that.

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Kiwi Diorama 'The Malayan Emergency' 6 years 6 months ago #22

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grunzter wrote: Hi Gary, I will check my browser settings, thanks.

Hi Paul, no message. :(
Are you building any Roll-over protected land rovers for your Rhodesian war?
If so i can forward you some good pictures of a restored UK mine protected LR, that may be some help...
Cheers grant


I have 'contacted' you by PM again. This time I got a message sent prompt - not last time.

I would be interested in UK MP Landrover pix although the Rhodesians said they would actually have been absolute death traps if one had actually struck a mine.

Paul

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Kiwi Diorama 'The Malayan Emergency' 6 years 6 months ago #23

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dcrfan wrote: Sound great but for the sake of accuracy a Ferret Mk 2 (4.3 tons) is too heavy to be carried on an RL (3 ton payload). A Dingo might just be carried although that is only the weight of the WW2 open top configuration.

Are you sure Mk 1 Ferret was used in Malaya as I've never seen any evidence of that.


In Kiwi Armour 5, there is a picture of a Mk2 Ferret on the back of an RL, hence the idea.
Also there is a few pictures of a kiwi Mk1 with a kiwi Mk2 & kiwi RL... these were in Borneo, not the Malayan Peninsula...
So maybe a bit of artist's licence being used. :)
Oh and thats a Saladin dug in on the second page, and the convoy picture shows a Bedofrd QY, followed by a QL and then a couple of RL pigs.... :)

These are copyright to Kiwi Armour, but since they are low res and not legiable i posted. I will remove them at the request of the Admin if need be...



...will email you the Land rover death trap pics.

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Kiwi Diorama 'The Malayan Emergency' 6 years 6 months ago #24

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I sit corrected :<) The RL was designed as a 4 tonner but only rated to 3 ton payload as that was what it could carry off road. I guess in Borneo it was operating with that load on road. Mind you they were only borrowed British Army vehicles weren't they so hire car mentality to the fore.

Borneo - Now I understand why Mk 1 was used.

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Kiwi Diorama 'The Malayan Emergency' 6 years 4 months ago #25

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A few more bits, progressing very slowly... maybe all the good weather we have had... :)

...a few more little goodies on the way as well, but no more excuses, so will dive in this weekend...

and this on its way :woohoo:

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Wow, I'd not seen this thread. Very interesting dio, will be watching for sure!!

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Thanks, i hope i can do it justice!
...Paul (dcrfan) has helped a lot with info on the conflict and also with drawings of the RL Pig, making it a possibility.
I am just considering a chassis/wheel set for it, probably the same as what Paul done, and use the italeri QL chassis as a base.
I looked at the RL chassis i have, and dont really want to scratch build one.
cheers Grant

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Where did you manage to order the QL from? I wasn't even aware a QLD kit was available.

Paul

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No eBay APP ID défined in Kunena configurationHi Paul,
:cheer: yeh, IBG are making a full range in 1/35... QLD, QLT, QLR & a QLB...
perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/ibg.html

This is the first release, so far does not seem to be in the shops, but one seller from Poland has a few on Ebay...


Hannants have them all on pre-order, but more expensive...
Grant

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Hi man,

catching up and it looks like you've got a big one planned here. It'll be a fascinating build I'm sure mate.

Cheers
Gary

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