Group build proposal: Heavy and strategic bombers

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Poll: Heavies GB

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Total number of voters: 11 ( Marcus.Q1000859, CyNaKyL, grover, rwkennard, Flying_Kiwi ) See more
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4 years 1 month ago - 4 years 1 month ago #1 by Grant
We have plenty on the go now, but I propose this for a GB once some of the current builds finish. Basically, heavy bombers. There are loads of modern and ye olde timey options, from the 1/32 Wingnuts Gotha to the 1/48 Revell B1b. :woohoo: It would definitely be a longer term build. I'd love to run this one. So who is keen? B)









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4 years 1 month ago #2 by Xtr3meNZer
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Would be an interesting build... Might be a while before I can do this one, but something I would look into. I would probably do a Lancaster. Have already got one, but would be cool to do another one, and see how my skills have improved.

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4 years 1 month ago #3 by Woadism
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I too have a Lancaster that needs building at some point, but in the turmoil of new house living / adjusting to a commute I doubt I'm going to complete the Tomcat group build entry I naively put my hand up for, so for the moment I'm just a keen observer.

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4 years 1 month ago - 4 years 1 month ago #4 by Andrew
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Ha, you beat me to it Grant. Was going to post up some suggestions for future GBs B)

I could be keen on this. Was looking at a 1/48 B-24 kit the other day :woohoo:

Edit: Took the liberty to add a poll to your initial post Grant, once we get the required numbers, we can ask Gary to create thread group etc B)

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4 years 1 month ago #5 by Flying_Kiwi
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Ok Grant this is getting very very spooky !!!!

I got a delivery late last week and decided my next two builds are completing the 1:48 Revell B1-B and 1:72 AModel Tu-160 Black Jack (both I've started and put aside)

Here is the mock up of the size of both




B1-b still fits in the display shelf. (that's the revell 1:32 HE111 for size)






so yeah,.... i'm in !!!!

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4 years 1 month ago #6 by Powder
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Probably not quite what you had in mind - but I've always fancied building one of these. :P

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4 years 1 month ago #7 by KitModellerNZ
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Could be keen! Nothing in the stash at the moment, but I'm sure I can change that :)

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4 years 1 month ago #8 by Xtr3meNZer
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Holy moley that's massive!! Think I'll stick to the 1/72 :P

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4 years 1 month ago #9 by Gary
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I think there should be some limits set this, I've wanted to do a "Heavies" build for a long time. I think that it should be 4 Engines and above to qualify as a "Heavy" personally I like to see it limited to just WWII but that would limit people's interest.
I have more heavies than I can shake a stick at, in all scales :) (20+ Liberators 6+ Lancasters, 10+ B-17s etc etc)



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4 years 1 month ago #10 by Xtr3meNZer
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Would you be willing to let go of one of the Lancs Gary? just before I go looking for a new one lol

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4 years 1 month ago #11 by Gary
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Sorry mate, they are all different types and scales (no duplicates).



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4 years 1 month ago #12 by dcrfan
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Talking of heavies is anyone following the scratch built 1/32 Shackleton on Britmodeller?

www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/t...build-project/page-8

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4 years 1 month ago #13 by Xtr3meNZer
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No harm in asking :)

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4 years 1 month ago #14 by grover
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I like the 4 or more engines idea, but I think it should be all periods. Being a small community, the more choice we have, the more people will get involved. I would be in with a B-1B build. 4 Engines rules out my Tu-22 though :whistle:

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4 years 1 month ago #15 by Grant
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Gary wrote: I think that it should be 4 Engines and above to qualify as a "Heavy" personally I like to see it limited to just WWII but that would limit people's interest.


I can see the motivation for those restrictions, and there is still plenty of choice even with those limitations, but personally I'd favour opening it to all time periods and maybe to four engines or more.

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4 years 1 month ago #16 by Grant
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grover wrote: I like the 4 or more engines idea, but I think it should be all periods. Being a small community, the more choice we have, the more people will get involved. I would be in with a B-1B build. 4 Engines rules out my Tu-22 though :whistle:


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4 years 1 month ago - 4 years 1 month ago #17 by Gary
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If it were WWII Heavies I'd put a $100 Mighty Ape voucher up as a prize.................... just saying :whistle:
Or I could just hijack it and say WWII Medium and Heavies which gives lots more scope ;)



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4 years 1 month ago #18 by Bishop
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And I thought it was tanks :angry: :whistle: :evil:

Even I have a Lancaster, but I really don't know how to build it beyond glue and paint brushes. :(

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4 years 1 month ago #19 by Xtr3meNZer
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C'mon Bish, give it a go :) You might like it

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4 years 1 month ago #20 by Powder
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What about planes that were never built ?

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4 years 1 month ago #21 by Powder
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Bishop wrote: And I thought it was tanks :angry: :whistle: :evil:
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Tanks might be allowed :P
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4 years 1 month ago #22 by Flying_Kiwi
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i'd put up $100 mighty ape voucher to keep the Jets in :-) (that's $200 now if Gary goes in) maybe we could go the way of the CAA and have a limit not on the engines but MTOW? Max Take Off Weight, the B-17 say has an MTOW of just under 33,000 KG ??? a true definition of "Heavy"

Also could we allow a fair amount of time for these.... the 1:48 heavies take along time to build, unless your Grant that is.

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4 years 1 month ago - 4 years 1 month ago #23 by Flying_Kiwi
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So random table of common types MTOW v engines, i knew modern jet fighters could carry almost as much ordinance as a B-17 (like the Strike Eagle) so that skews it a bit


so....we could say:

WWII heavies more than MTOW of 29,000 KG and 4 Engines
Early/Late Jets more than MTOW of 100,000 KG and 2 Engines (rules out the F-111 etc which aren't really heavies)

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4 years 1 month ago #24 by Gary
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Sorry to be a party proper but my offer was for WWII heavies/Mediums but would include WWI
If I'm going to stick my hand in my pocket it'll be for something I'm passionate about :P



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4 years 1 month ago #25 by Grant
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I don't know whether it's worth trying to define what counts as a heavy bomber. Most people know one when they see it, and the members here are far too nice to want to litigate the issue. :whistle: This list from Wikipedia covers most of what members are likely to build I reckon.

World War I
Flag of Italy (1861-1946).svg Caproni Ca.4
Flag of Italy (1861-1946).svg Caproni Ca.5
United Kingdom Handley Page Type O
United Kingdom Handley Page V/1500
German Empire Gotha G.IV
German Empire Gotha G.V
Russian Empire Sikorsky Ilya Muromets
United Kingdom Vickers Vimy
German Empire Zeppelin-Staaken R.VI

Interwar period (interbellum)
Flag of Italy (1861-1946).svg Caproni Ca.90
France Farman F.220
United Kingdom Fairey Hendon
United Kingdom Handley Page Heyford
United Kingdom Handley Page Hinaidi
United States B-2 Condor
Nazi Germany Junkers Ju 89
Japan Mitsubishi Ki-20
Soviet Union Tupolev TB-3
Soviet Union Petlyakov Pe-8

World War II
United Kingdom Avro Lancaster
France Bloch MB.162
United States B-17 Flying Fortress
United States B-24 Liberator
United States B-29 Superfortress
United States Consolidated B-32 Dominator
Nazi Germany Dornier Do 19
Nazi Germany Dornier Do 317
United Kingdom Handley Page Halifax
Nazi Germany Heinkel He 177
Nazi Germany Heinkel He 274
Japan Mitsubishi Ki-67
Japan Nakajima G8N
Soviet Union Petlyakov Pe-8
Flag of Italy (1861-1946).svg Piaggio P.108
United Kingdom Short Stirling
United States XB-15
United States XB-19

Cold War[edit]
United Kingdom Avro Lincoln
United Kingdom Avro Vulcan
United Kingdom Handley Page Victor
United Kingdom Vickers Valiant
United States B-1 Lancer
United States B-36 Peacemaker
United States B-58 Hustler
United States B-47 Stratojet
United States B-50 Superfortress
United States B-52 Stratofortress
Soviet Union Myasishchev M-4
Soviet Union Tupolev Tu-4
Soviet Union Tupolev Tu-16
Soviet Union Tupolev Tu-95
Soviet Union Tupolev Tu-160

Post-Cold War[edit]
United States B-2 Spirit

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4 years 1 month ago #26 by Grant
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Gary wrote: Sorry to be a party proper but my offer was for WWII heavies/Mediums but would include WWI
If I'm going to stick my hand in my pocket it'll be for something I'm passionate about :P


I would be happy with this though too. In its favour is that the build might be more focused. A B-25 counts right?

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4 years 1 month ago #27 by grover
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I'm not too sure about planes with those whirly bits on the front. :silly: Maybe room for side-by-side GBs. WW1/WW2 and post WW2. Be awesome to see a TU-95 in there too.

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4 years 1 month ago #28 by Hadley
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I can think of something that I would call heavy, but it only has 3 engines...
Also not a plane or jet though lol
Academy makes one in 1/48, but they're not cheap or easy to get either

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4 years 1 month ago #29 by Gary
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I'll make a separate GB if I need to, even if I'm the only entrant :P (at least I'll win the voucher)
I want to be selfish and make something I'm passionate about myself.
So I think 1937 - 1945
2 or more engines, must be propeller (no jets)
Must have wings, spinny bits on top don't count......
No experimental or What if's
Must of dropped bombs (no fighters).

I'll put up $100NZ in Mighty Ape or $80 on Amazon (for our members that don't live here) in vouchers or a prize of your choosing.
I know this was 1st put up by someone else but I was going to do it anyway so sorry if I tread on any toes here (call it owners prerogative). :D



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4 years 1 month ago #30 by Grant
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Gary wrote: I'll make a separate GB if I need to, even if I'm the only entrant :P (at least I'll win the voucher)
I want to be selfish and make something I'm passionate about myself.
So I think 1937 - 1945
2 or more engines, must be propeller (no jets)
Must have wings, spinny bits on top don't count......
No experimental or What if's


I guess this is really just a different group build to "Heavies" (i.e. WWII bombers) and it's not really what people voted for in the poll. I'd enter both btw, but I'd still like to see the original concept run.

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