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We want to have as many participants as possible joining in the Group Builds.

We are looking at running one year long GB per year, and two GBs running for 6 months starting every three months.

We'd like some feedback and ideas on what other themes you other members would be interested in building.

Scanning through older threads, here are some of the themes that have been mentioned

World War I - We are seriously considering this for the next year long GB
Ostfront - WWII
Kiwi Legends
Sci-Fi
Helicopters

Feel free to add your thoughts and ideas B)

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6 years 6 months ago #2 by Andrew
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I'd like to do a Doomsday/Zombie Apocalypse vehicle GB :evil:

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6 years 6 months ago #3 by Gary
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I'll be brutally honest here (aren't I always lol ) I tend to think that we don't really have the number of members to be too specific just yet.
I also find that there is a lot of initial interest but then when it comes to putting the old money where the bouche is the numbers peter out and tumble weed blows down the street.
Having said that we've now managed to complete two Group Builds which is more that we've been able to do in the past so hopefully that's an upward trend :D
I'd be up for Sci-Fi



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6 years 6 months ago - 6 years 6 months ago #4 by 1/35th Battalion
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Sci - Fi
And I do LIKE the Doomsday/Zombie Apocolypse Vehicle idea LOTS.
Have been toying with a build concept in this vein for a while now :evil: It would mean plenty of jiggin' 'n riggin' 'n scratchin the build about and some gnarly weathering 'n stuff. Really stretch the creativity juices rather than somfin mostly outta da box :woohoo: A Funky WIF GB that'd be . . .

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6 years 6 months ago #5 by Michaels Models
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What about a date split.

So any thing built in real life within that date split, be it plane, car, boat, bike etc.

Would think a small split of say 3 to 5 years would help to limit the options.

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6 years 6 months ago #6 by Hadley
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I'm keen for kiwi or helicopters theme
Could make a NZ scheme Heli :-)

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6 years 6 months ago #7 by Gary
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I'm keen for an RAF Liberator group build at least there would be more subjects to choose from than NZ Helos :P



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6 years 6 months ago #8 by 1/35th Battalion
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Gary wrote: I'm keen for an RAF Liberator group build at least there would be more subjects to choose from than NZ Helos :P


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6 years 6 months ago #9 by Webby_NZ
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+1 for scifi
Another well known forum is running a gb along the lines of 'dawn of war' which basically means a catastrophic event has happened and that's pretty much the theme so it covers everything from alien invasion through zombie apocalypse and beyond giving a wide scope of kits that could be bashed into 'future war' subjects.
Gunships, spacecraft, zombie hunters, fortified vehicles, bunkers, robots etc etc

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6 years 6 months ago #10 by Andrew
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Some good ideas coming through. I quite like the date split idea for a build and the 'Dawn of War' type

A few more ideas;

Space - ie Apollo, Lunar Lander, Space Shuttle

Nightfighters

Reconnaissance vehicles and aircraft

Float your boat - Ship GB

I'm sure someone mentioned ages ago Emergency Vehicles (Fire/Ambo/Police/Rescue)

Lights, Camera, Action GB - something from the movies/TV

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6 years 6 months ago #11 by 1/35th Battalion
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Definitely some great ideas coming through here. :woohoo:

Anyone collating a list of these?? Or are they just to be recovered by trolling through this thread? :dry:

Oh, and here's another _ "The Supply Chain - Tractors, Trucks, Trains and Such"

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6 years 5 months ago #12 by Andrew
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1/35th Battalion wrote: Definitely some great ideas coming through here. :woohoo:

Anyone collating a list of these??


Me :cheer:

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Andrew wrote:

1/35th Battalion wrote: Definitely some great ideas coming through here. :woohoo:

Anyone collating a list of these??


Me :cheer:


So at least two of us then :lol: I think these should keep us in GB's for a few years . . . B)

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6 years 5 months ago #14 by Andrew
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Yeah, closer to March we'll run a poll for the next 6 month build :woohoo:

Plenty of time for more suggestions too

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6 years 5 months ago - 6 years 5 months ago #15 by Andrew
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C'mon guys don't be shy with suggestions B)

I've got a few more

Kiwi Scooters (A-4 Skyhawks)

Carrier Based Aircraft

Old School vs New School ( 60s/70s muscle cars vs Modern performance vehicles ie Supra, Skyline GT-R, RX-7 etc)

Nostalgia - Build one of the first models you remember making when you were younger (providing still available lol)

Build from a photo - Build something matching a reference photograph

Conflict in Vietnam

Gundam figures

Motorsport Champions (F1, WRC, DTM etc winners)

Heavy Bombers

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6 years 5 months ago #16 by Viperbuilder
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Suggestions....hmmmm...maybe display teams, 4th & 5th generation fighters or F-16s where I could slip in one of these:



Maybe it might be a bit early to be thinking about a next Group Build. See how the current ones are panning out after four months and see what we are thinking then?

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6 years 5 months ago #17 by eyepaule
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Andrew wrote: C'mon guys don't be shy with suggestions B)

I've got a few more

Kiwi Scooters (A-4 Skyhawks)

Carrier Based Aircraft

Old School vs New School ( 60s/70s muscle cars vs Modern performance vehicles ie Supra, Skyline GT-R, RX-7 etc)

Nostalgia - Build one of the first models you remember making when you were younger (providing still available lol)

Build from a photo - Build something matching a reference photograph

Conflict in Vietnam

Gundam figures

Motorsport Champions (F1, WRC, DTM etc winners)

Heavy Bombers


When I was a wee boy my aunty brought me back a 32nd scale MG TC kit back from Australia. It's the first kit I remember. I have since acquired a replacement that sits in my closet.

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6 years 5 months ago #18 by Andrew
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Some good suggestions there Steve B) With that many Thunderbird F-16s you could build a formation for a display teams GB :lol:

I don't think it is too early to come up with suggestions for the next GB, however we'll wait for a few months yet before deciding anything definite

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6 years 5 months ago #19 by Andrew
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eyepaule wrote: When I was a wee boy my aunty brought me back a 32nd scale MG TC kit back from Australia. It's the first kit I remember. I have since acquired a replacement that sits in my closet.


The first kit I remember getting was a Matchbox 1/72 Hawker Hurricane IIc from Steve's Model Shop at Te Atatu South.

There were several of the Matchbox version available on ebay a while back, but now it looks like I'd have to get the Revell rebox

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6 years 5 months ago #20 by eyepaule
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I remember building that same kit, it was awesome in my 8 year old mind. I'd love to try it again now!

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6 years 5 months ago #21 by Webby_NZ
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Mine was a white countach, I think it was amt but can't b sure. 2nd was a revell 89 corvette.

I like the gundam idea that could maybe stretched to anime/Asian cartoon to get more subjects in.

How about something from year of birth, a car made that year or something significant that happened. I'm lucky, I could do Star Wars :-)

One a friend suggested was a top gear theme, scratch build one of their 'challenge' cars eg. Oliver, or the toybota

For a wide range you could say animals. Viper, cobra, eagle, spider

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I can't remember which one exactly was the first I built with my dad, but I remember there being a spitfire (I'm thinking it was a 1/48 one but I remember it being really big so I'd like to think it was 1/32), monogram 1/48 oa-4m, monogram 1/72 b-58 hustler and the hasegawa 1/72 a-10. I think now that I've listed them that the spitfire was first cause dad helped with most of it and the others I mostly did myself, and made a horrible mess of them.

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6 years 5 months ago - 6 years 4 months ago #23 by 1/35th Battalion
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Here's the list so far. Some great ideas, keep them coming folks... :woohoo:

KM – The Next Group Build Ideas

World War I - We are seriously considering this for the next year long GB
Ostfront – WWI
Kiwi Legends
Sci-Fi
Helicopters
Doomsday/Zombie Apocalypse vehicle
A date split. So any thing built in real life within that date split, be it plane, car, boat, bike etc. a small split of say 3 to 5 years
Kiwi theme
RAF Liberators
'dawn of war' which basically means a catastrophic event has happened and that's pretty much the theme so it covers everything from alien invasion through zombie apocalypse and beyond giving a wide scope of kits that could be bashed into 'future war' subjects. Gunships, spacecraft, zombie hunters, fortified vehicles, bunkers, robots etc etc –
Space - ie Apollo, Lunar Lander, Space Shuttle
Nightfighters
Reconnaissance vehicles and aircraft
Float your boat - Ship GB
Emergency Vehicles (Fire/Ambo/Police/Rescue)
Lights, Camera, Action GB - something from the movies/TV
"The Supply Chain - Tractors, Trucks, Trains, Forklifts, Cranes and Such." Would also include Nautical and Aircraft. Perhaps choose a particular era within which to set the GB/ a given timeframe.
Kiwi Scooters (A-4 Skyhawks)
Carrier Based Aircraft
Old School vs New School ( 60s/70s muscle cars vs Modern performance vehicles ie Supra, Skyline GT-R, RX-7 etc)
Nostalgia - Build one of the first models you remember making when you were younger (providing still available lol)
Build from a photo - Build something matching a reference photograph
Conflict in Vietnam
Gundam figures
Motorsport Champions (F1, WRC, DTM etc winners)
Heavy Bombers
Display teams
4th & 5th generation fighters
Something from year of birth, a car made that year or something significant that happened.
A top gear theme, scratch build one of their 'challenge' cars eg. Oliver, or the toybota.
European sports car racing thanks, includes sports car, touring and grand touring racers, super tourers and Le Mans prototypes. Best to keep this one fairly open to attract entries. Does not include F.1..
Sports Racing cars from around the world
Formula One motor racing - All Era's
Auto Racing GB "Tribute" to those we have lost or had to retire due to injury eg. Denny Hulme, Possum Bourne, Ayrton Senna, Chris Amon, Colin McRae, Michael Schumacher, Aaron Slight, Jason Richards, Dale Earnhardt Snr, Dario Franchetti to name but a few. Should be open to all forms of Auto Racing.
The "ACE'S", a tribute GB to those who were or are the best of the best in combat. Encompassing land, sea and air. The top guns and superior tacticians.

Plenty of room for more ideas . . . :woohoo:

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6 years 5 months ago #24 by Viperbuilder
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OK, please add European sports car racing thanks, includes sports car, touring and grand touring racers, super tourers and Le Mans prototypes. Best to keep this one fairly open to attract entries. Does not include F.1.. This is what a few of us would like to build for the next Group Build. Porsches, Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Jags, Audis, BMWs, GT40s etc emblazoned with sponsors paint schemes and trade marks.



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6 years 5 months ago #25 by Gary
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Define a few Steve?
I think you might have to have to expand that to Sports Racing cars from around the world or include F1 I don't think we have the numbers to justify something quite so niche, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. I think it might be time to go on a publicity run to promote KM. I would absolutely LOVE to be able to run these kind of things, to be able to run Group Build based on individual cars, planes, tanks etc is a dream of mine but like all things it takes time and effort and I'm not sure we're quite there yet.
Ian said to me at Cambridge we will never be Britmodeller or Large Scale Modeller, I would love to prove him wrong and say up yours you cynic........ :P
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6 years 5 months ago #26 by 1/35th Battalion
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List updated :P ;) and forth I have been going Boss :whistle:

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6 years 5 months ago #27 by Viperbuilder
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Well you could make it any sort of racing car and leave it at that. The European series have always had the more interesting and sophisticated cars. It's very hard to think of that being niche because it covers practically all motor racing (circuit) classes in Europe. But I know where you are coming from...who will build a car of any sort anyway? Lets just throw it out there when the time comes around and see what happens. We are not that thick on the ground with entries for anything at the moment are we?

As a bit of constructive criticism, I read through the "rules" of participating in the current Group Builds and saw this piece:

"The entrants will be limited to members that have been here for 3 months or more and have made a minimum of 20 posts (this should eliminate outsiders and pros), plus I get to vet the entrants."

To an outsider this could be perceived as cronyism. For a forum that would like to convert unregistered visitors into participating registered members this is not a good look. It's potentially putting up a barrier to Joe Modeller who may have been looking at this forum for a while and watching the online builds and reading the chatter but has been holding back from registering for one reason or another. I'm not sure if competing for a small amount of cash is a good idea either given Internal Affairs has rules around this sort of thing, although I understand that this has been done to help raise funds to support KM.

My own views on running Group Builds is that they should be as open as possible for as many people to compete as possible and preferably have just the prestige of winning as your prize in each build. The emphasis should be on gathering participants and registering new members. A fun run is nothing unless you have lots of participants competing for the fun of it. Isn't that what we are trying to do on KM?

As I've mentioned before, I'm not a car modeller myself (90% aircraft) but I'll happily build one or two in the hope that others might be enticed to join in and give it a go. How do you attract the car modellers from around NZ to look into the KM forum and join in? Open the door to them, acknowledge them and show them there is something here for them. Same goes for ship modellers, sci-fi modellers etc. KM is a product and if you want people to buy into that product then we all have to go out and sell it to people. Step back for a moment from KM and think what would attract a person to KM, Britmodeller, Hyperscale, LSM etc. The people, the builds, new products, the helpful wisdom, technical advice and so on are probably what most people would tell you. After a while of reading threads and participating you feel you are in a club regular environment and you look forward to each time you log in.

A good initiative would be to start asking some of the regular club competition participants from around the country if they would like to or mind joining KM and sharing their modelling builds and experiences on line with like modellers and people interested in the hobby. When you get the people participating then others will come. One person can't do this on their own, it is a team thing and all members should be doing their bit to encourage other to come along.

It sounds a bit like I just stepped onto a soap box so I'll hop down and let everyone digest this. Remember the Kennedy speech...ask not what KM can do for you

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6 years 5 months ago - 6 years 5 months ago #28 by Gary
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It's just for the pay to play builds, the open Group builds can be for anyone, but I wouldn't like it if Shep Paine (or another "Elite" modeller) turned up every Group Build paid his $5 and walked off with all the prize money each time. Us mere mortals will probably never reach those lofty levels and it wouldn't encourage people to part with their money and join in).
I'm also hoping that it will encourage people to join in with the discussions here again I don't like the thought of someone turning up not even saying hello and just playing. I'm trying to build a community of communicative members and if a few people are put off by that then to be honest I don't see the downside of having members that don't join in anyway. To get more out you have to put something in ;)
As for getting the clubs involved I've tried that, but the President of Auckland is a classic example of someone who only cares about himself and his little gang. Every time I've asked him to help and spread the word he's treated the site with no more importance than choosing his socks in the morning, he hasn't even logged in to KM for over a year, and I've had the same from all the other big clubs. The only clubs that want to get involved are the smaller ones and they do get involved.
I've only just been able to offload the Group Builds to others, until now I've done it all myself, there's a number of reasons for that, me relinquishing control is among them :blush: but the biggest one is the lack of enthusiasm from some of the members (sorry peeps this isn't aimed at anyone in particular), "why should I bother helping out when it's all done for me over at the other forum that I'm already a member of?". It's actually an understandable reaction, running this site and helping out takes time, it's time that could be spent doing other things, quality time with the family or even modelling :)
I would like to say that I feel we are on an upward climb at the moment and this is great, I hope we can keep the momentum going and continue the great work by all those who are involved here.
I hope no one is offended by my take on things or my earnest opinions, opinions are like arses everyone has them :)
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6 years 5 months ago #29 by Michaels Models
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mmm some sports car porn




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6 years 5 months ago #30 by Taylor
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There are positives to both sides of the subject for Group Build.
Gary- You are right in doing what you are doing because it does prevent the elite of the elite type just rocking up and walking away with the loot everytime and it also helps those of us who may not be at that "lofty level" a better chance of either winning something or just simply being recognised for a good piece of work. That can be rewarding in itself.

Steve- I also see your point for keeping things open and attracting outsiders and appealing to a specific market but here on KM I see it as a club. A club that you put into, to get out like many other clubs where you might pay a fee or something towards things that the club might do. Whilst we don't pay a fee on KM like many other forums as you suggested, I don't see the harm in paying a small fee for a group build to potentially win a small prize just for contributing. By having that rule of certain amount of posts etc before entering, you know that you are not going to be last in the competition everytime.

I know I have only contributed to the Pacific build and I didn't place. Big deal I suppose as I don't consider myself to be a master modeller although I try to but nor do I build models for the purpose of entering into a competition. As said there are arguements on boths sides but I like the way KM is setup and it does appear to be going from strength to strength despite some on the outside who may feel that it may seem "cronyism" and maybe put off but compare that with how many members are here.

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