The Armistice Challenge - 1/48 F-4J Phantom build

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10 months 3 weeks ago - 10 months 2 weeks ago #1 by Craig Sargent
Ian has issued a challenge to me for us to build the same kit(s) and enter them in the same category(s) at Armistice next year. In his words, paraphrased, “you and I need to get more competitive” :D

This is a formal record of the “thrown down gauntlet”.

To make this more interesting, I’m thinking we should have some guidelines and penalties, I mean “incentives”.

So, Ian, I think we should do the following:
  • come up with about a half-dozen subject choices we can agree on
  • put it to membership vote
  • set some penalties for non-completion to make it interesting
  • and then let any other members join, sort of a pseudo-GB

“How say you savage?” :p

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Hasegawa 1/48 F-4J Phantom
Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
Eduard/Hasegawa 1/72 Liberator GR.V
Hasegawa 1/48 TAV-8B Harrier conversion
Trumpeter 1/32 A-10A Thunderbolt
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10 months 3 weeks ago #2 by Glenn
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Things just got interesting...

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10 months 2 weeks ago #3 by Nosferatu
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:woohoo: S**t just got real! :cheer:

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10 months 2 weeks ago #4 by IAN
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Craig Sargent wrote: So, Ian, I think we should do the following:

  • come up with about a half-dozen subject choices we can agree on
  • put it to membership vote
  • set some penalties for non-completion to make it interesting
  • and then let any other members join, sort of a pseudo-GB

“How say you savage?” :p


Half - a- dozen.... seems a bit too many.
Nope - Just between us, keep it simple.
Nope - not interested in dis-incentives, our 'friendly rivalry' is all the incentive I need.
Love that idea - somewhere between a GB and a buddy-build - all for it, more the merrier, etc, etc.

So I had some ideas on the drive back home. We both have similar 'tastes' in aircraft, so maybe...

1 Any Mirage variant in 1:48 (?) - Has to be a 'fresh start' build nothing that we've started already.
2 Any Phantom variant in 1:72 (?) - again a 'fresh start' build.
3 Any WWII Italian, French or Japanese aircraft in any scale - let's be honest, models of British, US and German aircraft are very common, so why not the less-seen nations (?)


Back to you, Mr. S



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10 months 2 weeks ago - 10 months 2 weeks ago #5 by Craig Sargent
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IAN wrote: Half - a- dozen.... seems a bit too many.
Nope - Just between us, keep it simple.
Nope - not interested in dis-incentives, our 'friendly rivalry' is all the incentive I need.
Love that idea - somewhere between a GB and a buddy-build - all for it, more the merrier, etc, etc.

So I had some ideas on the drive back home. We both have similar 'tastes' in aircraft, so maybe...

1 Any Mirage variant in 1:48 (?) - Has to be a 'fresh start' build nothing that we've started already.
2 Any Phantom variant in 1:72 (?) - again a 'fresh start' build.
3 Any WWII Italian, French or Japanese aircraft in any scale - let's be honest, models of British, US and German aircraft are very common, so why not the less-seen nations (?)

Back to you, Mr. S

Ian.


Hmmmm. Ok.

1. I’m not sure I have one unstarted. Would need to check the stash. Already have 5 so no intent to buy another, unless I can track down a Wingman Nesher.
2. I do have an IDF F-4E unstarted in 1/72, but have plenty of 1/48 F-4Js - Academy, Hasegawa and ZM all unstarted
3. Nothing in that category. Don’t have a huge interest in WW2.

Some other thoughts

OOB, or anything goes?

Same scale and class obviously. Is intent to build same kit/family i.e. Hasegawa F-16s have many subvariants but same base kit; or just same subject, i.e. any 1/48 F-16?

Most obvious is Hasegawa 1/48 Harriers, but perhaps a little cliche

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Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
Eduard/Hasegawa 1/72 Liberator GR.V
Hasegawa 1/48 TAV-8B Harrier conversion
Trumpeter 1/32 A-10A Thunderbolt
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10 months 2 weeks ago - 10 months 2 weeks ago #6 by IAN
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1:48 Phantom is definitely do-able....

F-16 would have been a good option too, but recently finished two-in-a-row so probably not.

I'd be up for a Harrier build, but - as you say - between as we have 'presented' a fair few in recent years.

As for detailing & extras.... why not ?. I have an RAF Phantom and a couple of Navy ones, don't think the manufacturer is relevant, it's the side-by-side progress and finish that's the attraction, right ?



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10 months 2 weeks ago #7 by Craig Sargent
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So options are (subject to check of the stash), in order of pref:

1/48 Phantom
1/72 Phantom
1/48 Harrier ( you can never have too many)

Now until Armistice 2020 to finish
Kit unstarted
Anything goes (OOB, aftermarket, scratch)

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Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
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Hasegawa 1/48 TAV-8B Harrier conversion
Trumpeter 1/32 A-10A Thunderbolt

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10 months 2 weeks ago #8 by IAN
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Yep that sums-it-up, Craig.

I already know I have all the 'raw materials' in the stash so I'm good-to-go. If we are doing a Phantom build, I already have an F-4J scheme in mind, I'm open minded about the other two - guess it would be better if we do different squadrons !!



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10 months 2 weeks ago - 6 months 2 weeks ago #9 by Craig Sargent
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That was easy then. 1/48 F-4Js it is.

Checked the stash and I have one of each flavour - Hasegawa, Academy (Eduard) and Zoukei Moura, in a virgin state.

Markings are easy for me as all have different VMFA-451 schemes allocated and scheme to use depends on which kit.



Academy/Eduard scheme is what’s in the box.

Does this work in with your Phantom plans Ian?

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Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
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10 months 2 weeks ago - 2 days 5 hours ago #10 by Craig Sargent
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Just pulled the kits have a look and Hasegawa kit has the DMold seamless intakes and might be a quicker build, but plenty of time so might go with the Academy/Eduard kit.

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Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
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Hasegawa 1/48 TAV-8B Harrier conversion
Trumpeter 1/32 A-10A Thunderbolt
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10 months 2 weeks ago #11 by IAN
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Yep I'll match that: Not sure what's in the box, pretty sure there's some seats, 'correct' missiles and maybe some Aires pipes. I do know that the decals are in there...for this machine:





Need to finish one build before starting properly; the NASCAR racer that I brought to Cambridge. Once that's done I'll clear the bench and simply go-for-it. No reason why we can't use this thread to post our progress.

AFN



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10 months 2 weeks ago - 10 months 2 weeks ago #12 by Craig Sargent
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Ok. It’s on. Thread title changed accordingly. I have some other stuff to work through so won’t be clearing the bench, but will work on it off and on for the next year. No speed build here.

I think I’ll go with the Academy kit as it has pretty much everything I need for this build.

I’ll post an “in the box” pic soon and then I can work on it at my leisure. Happy to post everything in this thread if that’s what works best.

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Hasegawa 1/48 F-4J Phantom
Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
Eduard/Hasegawa 1/72 Liberator GR.V
Hasegawa 1/48 TAV-8B Harrier conversion
Trumpeter 1/32 A-10A Thunderbolt
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10 months 2 weeks ago - 10 months 2 weeks ago #13 by Craig Sargent
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The Eduard boxing of the Academy kit has resin seats, exhausts and wheels, as well as coloured photo-etch for the cockpit, so I think I'm mostly set for aftermarket for this build. I may throw in some Master Models brass pitot tubes.

I'll need to work out stores load too and see what I need.

Still working on which Warlords scheme to build, but leaning towards the one in the kit still.


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Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
Eduard/Hasegawa 1/72 Liberator GR.V
Hasegawa 1/48 TAV-8B Harrier conversion
Trumpeter 1/32 A-10A Thunderbolt
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10 months 2 weeks ago - 10 months 2 weeks ago #14 by Craig Sargent
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Here we go. Get the formalities out of the way and then I can work on this at leisure.

Eduard pic of the box top.


Plastic in the box, minus parts not being used which I have removed this morning, with phone for date. The box under the phone contains the Eduard Brassin seats, wheels and exhausts.


The unused parts in the box lid. Plenty of additions to the spares box.


The instructions, Brassin parts, Fine Molds brass pitots, Furball and Eduard photoetch.

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Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
Eduard/Hasegawa 1/72 Liberator GR.V
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Trumpeter 1/32 A-10A Thunderbolt
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9 months 2 weeks ago - 9 months 2 weeks ago #15 by Craig Sargent
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Making a little progress on this build, in between some other things I’m trying to get finished. Eduard have quite a few errors in their cockpit, but in the interests of keeping this one moving, I’m ignoring as much as I can, so what is here so far is pretty much OOB.



I don’t like the grey base colour of the photo-etch - Eduard seem very random on their colours, even though the correct colour should be FS36231. Eduard even call for the correct colour to paint the cockpit but it is nowhere near to a match for their base colour which is far too light. So I’ll have to mix up some grey to try and match the photoetch

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Hasegawa 1/48 F-4J Phantom
Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
Eduard/Hasegawa 1/72 Liberator GR.V
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9 months 2 weeks ago #16 by grover
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Nice start Craig.always wondered about some of Edwards colours, I noticed the same thing on the F-117 cockpit PE.

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6 months 3 weeks ago #17 by IAN
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So two-and-a-half months after Mr. S, the Pom has (finally) dragged his F-4 to the bench:








Unlike Craig, I'm starting with the sub-assemblies - wings first and the first bit of 'detailing'. Cut the inner flaps from the main wing, profiled and filled them with plastic card and putty (not in the pics). The Hasegawa kit allow for you to build-up the entire wing assembly before mating it to the fuselage so I also sprayed the insides of the auxiliary doors aswell, I'll box-in the area with some plastic card with a few scratchbuilt details not that you'll see too much unless you pick-up the model - but I'll know that it's gonna be there !



More soon.


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6 months 3 weeks ago - 6 months 3 weeks ago #18 by Craig Sargent
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Welcome to the party. Nice start.

I've just received some bits I was waiting for including some Aires wheel bays, the areas inside the auxiliary underwing doors and some intake blanks. Will get some more done on it this weekend, but trying to get some paint on my 1/48 A-4M first.

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Hasegawa 1/48 F-4J Phantom
Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
Eduard/Hasegawa 1/72 Liberator GR.V
Hasegawa 1/48 TAV-8B Harrier conversion
Trumpeter 1/32 A-10A Thunderbolt
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6 months 2 weeks ago - 6 months 2 weeks ago #19 by IAN
So Wednesday is usually a day-off for me and I've managed to do little more to the Phantom:



The fuselage sides are the same as those that were issued with the 'Hi Tech' F-4S kit and have 'Slime Lights' pre molded - my F-4J didn't have these so they needed to be sanded off. Marked them first then masked around with electrical tape to avoid 'collateral damage' to the surrounding panels. It's all done now and looks fine.

Next I've got a similar job to do on the stabilisers, they're molded with the triangle shaped reinforcement plate which again, my F-4J doesn't have:

The F-4J at IWM Duxford





Restored F-4D in the US




More soon:

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6 months 2 weeks ago #20 by Craig Sargent
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Aires wheel wells and auxiliary engine panels now fitted. Need to get cockpit and engines painted so I can close up the fuselage.






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Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
Eduard/Hasegawa 1/72 Liberator GR.V
Hasegawa 1/48 TAV-8B Harrier conversion
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6 months 2 weeks ago #21 by IAN
Are you going you fold the wings as well, Craig ? - I'm not, far too problematical on the Hasegawa kit. Just ordered some canopy latches from 'the Old Country' they should be here in a week or so that's all that's left to fit-out the cockpit. Next for me is to make a start on the [Aires} seats.

More next week hopefully.



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6 months 2 weeks ago #22 by Craig Sargent
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IAN wrote: Are you going you fold the wings as well, Craig?
Ian.


Not on this one - wings down and canopy closed. Still debating using intake blanks instead of dealing with intakes as well. While the Eduard cockpit interior is nice, it's missing too much detail to have canopies open for my liking. I could have thrown a detail set in there or done some extra detailing, but want to try and keep this one on track to finish before Armistice.

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Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
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Hasegawa 1/48 TAV-8B Harrier conversion
Trumpeter 1/32 A-10A Thunderbolt

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6 months 2 weeks ago #23 by IAN
I'll be adding an etch set into the pit, plus wiring etc, need a 'visual p.o.d. as there's not going to be too much hanging from the pylons !!



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6 months 2 weeks ago #24 by Craig Sargent
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Hasegawa 1/48 F-4J Phantom upper wings before (upper right) and after (lower right), showing landing gear upper wing fairing corrected shape. Not even present on Academy wings (left) - some scratchbuilding needed.


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Hasegawa 1/48 TAV-8B Harrier conversion
Trumpeter 1/32 A-10A Thunderbolt
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6 months 2 weeks ago #25 by Craig Sargent
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Eduard/Academy provide no throttle for the cockpit. Fortunately Aires provide a spare in their cockpit set. Now I have to try and match a grey to the coloured photoetch. Yay.


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Hasegawa 1/48 F-4J Phantom
Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
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Hasegawa 1/48 TAV-8B Harrier conversion
Trumpeter 1/32 A-10A Thunderbolt
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6 months 2 weeks ago #26 by Craig Sargent
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Hey Ian,
If you want to sort out those upper wing bulges on your kit as well, I'm not sure what Hasegawa were working off, but here is what those upper wing bulges should look like (this is for an F-4S, but the F-4J was the same)






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6 months 2 weeks ago #27 by IAN
Yep going to re-shape those bulges... the old Detail & Scale books have good photos and I appreciate the ones you just posted.

Planning on adding the wiring into the cockpit and rear IP over the next couple of sessions -always enjoy doing that, no stress just Superglue, tweezers and various gauges of fuse wire.


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6 months 2 weeks ago #28 by Craig Sargent
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I was going to button the cockpit up, but found this set from a Hasegawa F-4 in my spares, so I’ll see if I can adapt those and then add some wiring as well.


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Tamiya 1/48 Martlet IV conversion
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6 months 2 weeks ago - 6 months 2 weeks ago #29 by IAN
Ok here's the results of some pre and post 'day job' tinkering:

Basic painting and dry brushing on both (Aires resin) seats:






Wiring added to the nose gear bay with 5amp fuse-wire and florists wire:







Rear bulkhead the same:





And carved-off the molded-on details on the rear IP and built my own with chopped-up 1:72 missiles and plastic card. Drilled the 'missiles' and added wiring again with fuse wire and florists wire also used nylon thread for the finer cables:





The eagle-eyed here will notice that I've invested in a brand-new A2 cutting mat, which somehow makes me work 'better' than usual... or I could be simply talking out of my a*se as usual :idonno . Hopefully more tomorrow as Wednesday is my day-off.

Thanks for taking the time to look and / or comment. Best from a very VERY windy Taranaki.



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6 months 1 week ago - 6 months 1 week ago #30 by IAN
Some work done over the last couple of evenings:







Eduard kit-specific etch set works fine even if their version of cockpit grey is far too light - I repainted where I could. The wiring that I added the old-fashioned way is still visible, so I'm quite pleased that the work will be just about seen at the end.

I test-fitted as I went, so knew there would be a problem or two when I joined the fuselage halves together - what I needed to do was minimize those problems and try to confine the gaps to an area where I could tackle them without a shed-load of filling and re-scribing.











So the gap in the combing will be filled (with plastic card) as will the deep indent for the gunsight which is too far forward anyway. The rest of the fuselage mated perfectly with nothing more than the usual clean up and sanding needed.

Beginning to look like a Phantom, now.





Stay tuned and have a great weekend folks.

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