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RNZAF F-16XL What If???? 2 months 6 days ago #1

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So the following is a HUGELY tongue and cheek build which i have been meaning to start for ages.... it is not meant to offend any bodies political leanings, its just a bit of fun for your amusement :-)

So the backstory goes.....

Its 2025, The F-16XL, having been the winner of the 1981 EFT program over the F15 strike eagle, Has been operating with the USAF and NATO airforces for over 30 years. Even after many upgrades they are slowly being replaced with newer types such as the F35

F-16XL's are now being made surplus and are being sold to "friendly nations" at cost.

New Zealand has suffered increasing incursions by foreign fishing trawlers within the 30 miles Economic Exclusion Zone (EEZ).
Recently these incursions have turned violent, the New Zealand Navy having been engaged by armed trawlers or trawlers with armed escorts
Usually there are no national markings and as such it is impossible to lobby the offending nations.

The Navy does not have the resources to police the many thousands of square miles within the EEZ and are often engaged by numerous armed vessels.

They are crying out for a rapidly deployable fast moving air support.

A cheap multi-role air platform able to carry out multiple strikes with a long loiter time in a single mission is needed, and as such current Labour Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern signs a deal with the US for 20 Single Seat and 5 two seat F-16XL

In Mid-July 2025 an aged RNZAF P3 Orion (the RNAZF still awaiting the P8) spots a flotilla of armed trawlers 10 miles off the coast of New Plymouth, Anzac Class frigate Te KAHA advises it is 2 hours away at full steam and requests air support.

Two F-16XL lift off from RNZAF Base Ohekea and race over head the Raumai range past the Whanganui river moth enroute to the circling Orion

5 miles out both IIR and CCD sensors on board the 4 AGM 64 mavericks slung under each F-16XL, track the unidentified trawlers.

The Orion fly's a close racetrack approach for a closer look to try and identify any nationality, and immediately comes under heavy AAA fire. The Orion beats a hasty retreat, the targets are now considered hostile...

F-16XL 004 begins its first pass, the maverick has a positive lock and leaps of its rail,... speeding towards the hapless trawler at 1150 KMH. The trawler explodes in a tangled mass of metal, fishing net and Hoki bits and sinks quickly.

The remaining trawlers and escorts immediately turn tail and make all revolutions towards the outer edge of the EEZ and safety..

This is the Kit:


And this is what it will probably end up looking like.



I will be using the oldmodel 1:32 RNZAF Skyhawk decals and a few low viz aftermarket stencils over a two tone grey colour scheme.
I have loads of US weapons I can slap on this puppy (thanks to both trumpeter sets) so the load out will be extensive !!!

I'm starting the cockpit tonight mostly using Eduard's F-16C PE set.

Anyway hope this gives you lot a laugh...... and yes I quite like Jacinda Adern... :-)
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RNZAF F-16XL What If???? 2 months 6 days ago #2

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Lol, I did laugh when I read that line RE Jacinda Adern lol.

Well, looking forward to seeing how this turns out :) Sounds believable :P

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thanks mate,.... hmm I may have to change the AGM64 to AGM 84 (harpoons) but I'm sure we have a shed load of AGM 64's sitting about?? or did we get rid of them??? Phil??

Either that or its 30 mm cannon and harsh language

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F16XL ??? Didn't you get the memo :ohmy: RNZAF are normally limited to using Cresco water bombers against armed trawlers. Only if that fails to deter them then the rules of engagement do allow the scale model V1 from Omaka to be deployed and flown in an 'aggressive manner'.

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Maverick is AGM-65.

They are no longer in service now we have stopped operating the SH-2G(NZ). Replaced with AGM-119.

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Cool idea and great story to go with it. :lol:

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lol crack up mate. Good luck with the build. Will be following when I can :)

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Thanks guys, I'm glad you appreciate the humour in this most UNLIKELY of happenings

I Knew Phil would have the good oil on the AGM65, good to know about the Penguins,... and its true the AGM64 is the hornet missile...how did I get that wrong? what do you think the load out should be?? anti shipping?
I was thinking AGM 142 Popeye's and AGM 84A Harpoons. would we use JDAM munitions?

Hey drcfan, did you know a Fletcher (or possibly agwagon) bombed a Taiwanese trawler with a load of super phosphate in the 60's !!! true story!

So... the F-16 XL is supposedly a meter longer then the F-16A, not according to revell it seems

F-16A on the Sprue, the XL off



In fact the Revell and Hasegawa parts look nearly Identical! hmmmmmm? down to the nose shape, intakes, tail....etc... is this a rebox?

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due to a small IT crisis at home I got only a little bit done on this bad boy

Wheel bay and intake, which was awful... I'm not sure what revel was thinking when they molded this,... you have to pack it a lot to avoid a MASSIVE step



But with some dry fitting alignment and a bit of sanding it comes out nice and smoothio!!!!



The fit into the belly is pretty dire too,... I hope this doesn't keep occurring... I am ignoring the massive sink marks and lip in the intake because revell has provided a FOD cover for the intake - I'll be posing this on the ground. obviously they knew it was going to be shit... :-) well its starting to look like an F-16

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Ill fitting kits suck - good luck!!

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yep they sure do.

There is also a major problem with this kit as I alluded to earlier, its not remotely accurate, not even close.

The fuselage needs to be 20 scale mm longer, in two 10 mmm sections both fore and aft of the gear bay, which is in itself in the wrong place (too far forward). Basically its a Hase knockoff of an F-16A fuse which they then made some cranked arrow wings for and as a such the wings are too small and squat. The tail pipe is in the wrong place and angle ... as such if this model was to actually fly you'd have a tail strike everytime

I'm certainly not going to cut up the fuse and add the sections, I am toying with adding 10 mm each to the wing roots just so it looks wider,.. as it should.

However I am modelling a futuristic RNZAF anti shipping bomber which technically didn't make it out of prototype (only two were ever built) so am I really that worried about accuracy.... am I f----

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Just have some fun... apart from the dreadful fit etc. Just cover it with bombs and no one will know. Going to look way cool.

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ok so I've done some work figuring out the load out.

I'd be really interested to see what Phil thinks of this.

I have done a bit of research especially on Mk82/GBU31 being used against shipping
(a few delivered by a A4-C helped sink the Coventry in 1982)

So i put my pilot hat on and did the MAUW calculations with the F-16XL

---these are all nice round numbers and very much back of a fag packet calcs---

MAUW is 48000 lbs, empty weight is 22000 lbs

So you have 26000 lbs to play with, the load out I want is approx. 13400 lbs

So now you have 12600 lbs for fuel

At .82 mach cruise (550 kts) you're burning 1000 GPH (in round numbers)
At full noise afterburner its closer to 7000 GPH

JP8 is 6.65g/lbs so at cruise your burning 6650 lbs of fuel an hour,
this gives you a loiter time of only 1.9 hours WITHOUT reserve
not sure what military reserve is so lets say its the same as civil reserve which is 30 minutes
so now your down to 1 hour 20 minutes flight time

At 550Kts your doing 550 nautical miles an hour, 550 nm is 1020 KM
So flying at 550 kts for 90 minutes that's about a round trip of 1400 KM,
At cruise that's approx. round trip to Kaitaia or Timaru from RNZAF Ohakea with reserve
so even if you recovered from the same base you could actually patrol a fair amount, In fact you could ALMOST make to the Chathams and back (you could even land there as its 1400m however
I doubt they have ground carts and JP8 on hand

The EEZ is not uniform around NZ and in some place from 12 NM of the coast to 200 NM

The F-16XL needed a landing distance of nearly 1000 meters so that gives you a lot of options to recover

for example

Auckland Int
Whenuapai
Christchruch Int
Dunedin
Wellington Intl

Even my home Base :P NZPP is just on 1000m

And i imagine you'd be coming in really light if you had to recover off base.

So as an example you could take off from Ohakea attack a target 300 km off the cost of Greymouth and recover back at base OR Christchurch OR Dunedin

Of course none of this takes weather into account. and I'm assuming low flight not high thin less draggy flight which would increase the range

ANYWAY.....

Load out is

2 X AGM142 HAVE NAP "popeye" Under the heavy/wet stations on the wing
- (thats the only station that could hold these big boys).
4 X AGM84 "harpoon" wing station
4 X Mk 84 JDAM (GBU31) wing station
2 X AIM 9M "sidewinder" tip station
1 X AN-AAQ13 LANTIRN on the chin station

The F-16XL had a Centerline station which could hold a 300 gal tank however at this load out
it would put the MAUW 1900 lbs over but would extend the range some 500 KM or nearly to 2 full hours with reserve.

If you drop the 4 JDAMs that's EXACTLY the weight (nearly to the kg) of the belly tank.

So there you go, I love this sort of stuff... and Yes it has been a VERY slow morning.

BTW just as a fun fact the fuel load of ONE B-52 could fuel 22 F-16's and that's why they have tankers I guess!!!

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RNZAF F-16XL What If???? 2 months 3 days ago #14

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I'm not sure you'll be carrying QTY 4 2000lb bombs (Mk84), and four harpoons. Harpoon is a seriously large missile, and the Mk84 is a seriously large bomb.

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Love it, great story, great work up on the loadings and fuel burn. This is quite an interesting buildup to your what if.
I will certainly be watching how this goes, with huge interest.

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I may need a re-think on the load out, Phil is right (you see - get the expert advice)4 X harpoon and 4 X MK84 are over kill and I'm not sure the popeyes are going to work.... they were slung under the F-111 in the RAAF but I will have to modify the pylons for the F-16XL

Incidentally with the 300 Gal belly tank and with out the Popeye's weight (replaced by fuel) it takes the loiter time to 5 hours, doing a quick measure with a compass that's pretty ANYWHERE in the EEZ and back, or anywhere with 300 NM on full military power! Which would put you 200NM off the coast of Greymouth in under 30 minutes

I also had a rummage on the weekend and found some exocets! so maybe its harpoons and exocets!

So progress. the pit is bare and terrible much scratch building. this is the start.....


There are MANY gaps in the pit no rear wall so I cut this out puttied and painted.



And scratched built some of the seats found some old PE belts. the seat cushions, head rest and drogue chute are all soldering wire and milliput! to say the seat was bare is an understatement

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so not much progress, actually been flying!

So the nose is on and sanded, terrible fit so much primer to work out the rough bits, wings on.

To get the right wing level you can butt them up against the fuselage tightly you have to leave a gap (which thank fully has the bottom of the wing tight against the fuse) this gap is big enough in some places for 3mm of plastic card! as you can see, today I will shave it down and sand back and prime.

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Bit-o-progress, Card shaved down, putty on and wing shaping underway,.... tail on!!! bit of re-scribing and it will be ready to paint.

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I was just reading through the cabinet paper in 1999 for the purchase of the F-16B that was rejected.

looking through the funding priorities for the Air Defence budget spending, Priority 1 being the F-16 replacement but.....

Priority 3
•Anti-Ship Missile - funding not identified
•Helicopter self protection - partially done for East Timor

looks like somebody was thinking ahead... that must have been shelved when we decided not to buy the things they would be strapped too.

Interesting.... F-16's carrying possibly harpoons,... maybe not too fanciful???

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More likely would have been Penguin or Maverick as both are cleared for F-16 carriage and both are anti-ship capable, but not to say Harpoon wouldn't have been an option. I know we said no to Harpoon for the P-3s because they were nuclear-capable and it went againsy our whole nuclear free policy.

Greek F-16 with Harpoon


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Cheers Craig, good to see it actually being mated to an F-16!!! So I've done a bit of fitting about on the F-16XL and i have come up with a load out of 4 harpoons 2X AGM-84E and 2X AGM-84ER (which have been approved for the
F-18E/F) and two 150 Gal drop tanks. because of the large wing and the heavy store stations i think this should be OK...... its is whatif after all!

so scheme done, pretty easy and straight forward. weathering tomorrow.

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Looking great!
Can't wait to see the kiwi plastered all over her!

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I know the F-16XL has a few haters out there but in all honesty I have alway liked it especially as a 2 seater. I am really liking your scenario and I am intrigued by your build for sure. Looking forward to see the progress on this:)

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Flying_Kiwi wrote: A cheap multi-role air platform able to carry out multiple strikes with a long loiter time in a single mission is needed, and as such current Labour Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern signs a deal with the US for 20 Single Seat and 5 two seat F-16XL


Seems like your back story may be a little less far fetched after this mornings news!!! :lol:

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Dangermouse84 wrote: I know the F-16XL has a few haters out there but in all honesty I have alway liked it especially as a 2 seater. I am really liking your scenario and I am intrigued by your build for sure. Looking forward to see the progress on this:)


Same, I always thought it was secksy as hell, and much better to look at than the standard F-16. Looking real nice in the grey FK.

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Looking good!!!

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Looking awesome, So :whistle: after this morning's happenings in a few months time are we going to have some F-16s on order? :lol:

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Yak,... i was thinking the same thing....spoooky.....

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